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#91 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Alez » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:22 am

WCG is unique in BOINC as it's not a typical BOINC project. WCG is run by IBM and obviously IBM are taking GDPR very seriously. The other big projects connected to universities etc. that could be targeted are also taking it serious ie. Einstein, Climate etc.

At the moment it may be necessary that we will have to consent on every single project to allow your stats to be exported, your team details, country etc. Trying to follow what changes will be made to BOINC manager front end and backend server code. I think a lot of projects will be waiting for the new version of BOINC server code before they implement any changes.

It's also highly likely that stat sites like FreeDC and BAMstats will have to agree to legal terms with WCG before they can import any stats from WCG and will have to satisfy WCG that they are GDPR compliant with respect to data protection, deleting users accounts on BAM etc if they are requested to be deleted on WCG.

WCG doesn't fully mesh with BOINC and never has, the use of an e mail to log in rather than a user name for example means BAM doesn't work with WCG. AS their system is fully stand alone I wonder how far up the list of things to fix this will be.
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#92 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:21 pm

Still no sign of WCG joining the fold.

I've got to say that all of this is so unnecessary.

The eugdpr website has this definition:

What constitutes personal data?
The GDPR applies to ‘personal data’ meaning any information relating to an identifiable person who can be directly or indirectly identified in particular by reference to an identifier. This definition provides for a wide range of personal identifiers to constitute personal data, including name, identification number, location data or online identifier, reflecting changes in technology and the way organisations collect information about people
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No data that WCG, or indeed TSBT, holds about me directly or indirectly identifies me as a person other than my email address which isn't visible on either website & certainly is not exported by WCG. End of problem.

The trying to be more catholic than the Pope metaphor seems very apposite.

I do worry that BOINC has just broken itself by overreacting to this regulation which in reality isn't any more onerous than the old Data Protection Act, which worked because everyone applied a sense of proportion and went with the spirit of the law rather than going for a ridiculously arse-covering worst-case scenario interpretation of the letter of the Act.
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#93 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:26 am

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#94 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Alez » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:37 am

Megacruncher wrote:
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What constitutes personal data?
The GDPR applies to ‘personal data’ meaning any information relating to an identifiable person who can be directly or indirectly identified in particular by reference to an identifier. This definition provides for a wide range of personal identifiers to constitute personal data, including name, identification number, location data or online identifier, reflecting changes in technology and the way organisations collect information about people
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As far as I understand it, the issue is not whether you can be identified by the data that is held about you. The issue is that GDPR makes all that data, even including your user name on here, yours. You now have ownership of all data pertaining to you and so you have the right to see what data is held, determine how that data is used and who it is shared with and be completely deleted if you request. You must give consent for a company to hold , share and use data you provide.
I'm guessing that WCG is being required by the IBM lawyers to fully comply as if they were IBM. The GDPR rules are typical EU overkill, but until they are applied and some court rulings are made by the first test cases no-one knows how strictly they will be applied.
I guess the future of BOINC will depend on how it is applied in the new account manager. If it makes it a big hassle to run or join a project, join a team or effectively kills the stats sites, then I fear that future will be bleak.
Only time will tell.
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#95 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:43 am

The quote is from the official GDPR website & IMHO probably means what it says. :wink:


Anyhoo, 14 days into the Cowardly New World, Boincstats singularly fails to note that we are 124th now & more importantly UBT have been overtaken. Hurrah for us! Shame that most of the BOINC community probably will never know what happened on WCG after May 2018. :(

And my, admittedly pathetic but fairly steady, trickle of Byteballs has ceased over the last fortnight. :evil:

Good to know that WCG, or their arse-covering-ambulance-chasing-scumbags want to protect me from the prospect of free money just in case I sue them for letting the world know about the stellar amount of work I have done for them over many years.

Heartwarming also to know that likes of Steve/Merlyn our late/great #1 will soon have his WCG account deleted just because he's dead and no longer in a position to opt-in to being retained. Believe me, he's a guy who'd be pretty damn furious at being dead, but the prospect of having his legacy partially erased by some gutless moron would render him utterly incandescent!
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#96 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:55 am

Still no WCG update on BOINCStats.

I suppose it's time to calm down, accept that WCG may have sleepwalked out of the BOINC community, & that this may offer some opportunities.

At a personal level that includes getting many more CPU projects to 1 million. Just watch me!

At the team(s) level it allows TSBT & Anguillan Pirates to pursue Formula BOINC and BOINCStats challenges without fear of harming our WCG prospects.


Time to move on people!

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#97 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Sphynx » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:14 pm

Since it appears no stats will be further exported to BS or Free-DC, I've gone back to SUSA. I have a few days to get to 10 years on all active projects and once that's done, WCG will be getting little of my time. If you use the French Sig site, like mine, you can add future badges individually and I may do bronze only from here on out, but no more multi-year badges unless they start exporting again. Like Mega said, there are a lot of other projects that will benefit going out because of WCG willingness to turn their back on the Boinc Community.
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#98 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:27 am

WCG may not be exporting stats for BoincStats or FreeDC to pick up but they are still reporting team statistics on their website, which I assume are accurate. It's in WCG Points, not Boinc Credits but the team positions should still be accurate. Here are the top 125 teams...
IBM 227,948,107,467
Team 2ch 93,301,364,290
Ripple Labs 81,167,432,290
Marist College 59,507,457,087
XtremeSystems 51,991,739,104
Easynews 41,597,853,708
University of Kaiserslautern 23,455,906,762
Binghamton University Cares 22,083,697,572
Sony VAIO Team 21,707,916,869
TechPowerUp! 20,232,104,855
Team China 19,945,257,405
Decrypthon 19,511,195,507
Gridcoin 16,707,702,180
BOINC@Taiwan 15,704,081,378
UH IT HPC 14,866,757,604
L'Alliance Francophone 14,270,836,391
Rochester Institute of Technology 13,014,720,492
SETI.Germany 12,874,911,564
ESU 12,851,686,516
UserFriendly.Org 12,137,963,375
Czech National Team 10,118,768,469
Dutch Power Cows 9,966,323,825
Russia 9,584,517,894
BroadbandReports.com Team Discovery 9,419,552,890
Canada 9,377,213,843
Bankinter 9,248,557,382
Clubic 8,840,443,777
France 8,740,723,480
Christians 8,535,642,577
TACC 8,066,646,184
MakeCuresHappen 8,004,357,977
BOINC@Poland 7,987,937,889
HardOCP 7,395,320,516
Rechenkraft.net 6,888,861,991
Ukraine 6,754,747,711
Rochester Community & Technical College 6,623,421,553
Rutgers University 6,391,209,617
Slashdot Users 6,090,393,169
BOINC@AUSTRALIA 5,983,561,680
Planet 3DNow! 5,885,830,756
Team Andrax 5,617,257,899
SETI.USA 5,421,164,717
UK 5,393,286,769
BOINC.Italy 4,958,593,948
Research Support Coin 4,947,818,578
IBM Research Triangle Park (RTP) 4,878,816,905
SNURK and friends 4,716,727,317
Minnesota Crunchers 4,689,338,851
Dinosaur Comics - qwantz dot com 4,476,490,601
AMD Users 4,176,754,175
Deutschland - Germany 4,160,601,755
Improbable Island's Distributed Supercomputer 4,155,767,958
Fansub for Research 3,769,938,487
MyOnlineTeam 3,765,701,122
Compumatrix Global 3,748,817,303
Austin Grid Team 3,697,475,449
IBM Rochester 3,568,017,016
Ars Technica 3,444,922,137
TeAm AnandTech 3,372,551,251
BRASIL - BRAZIL@GRID 3,253,512,941
Team Norway 2,972,655,699
NearEastUniversity 2,913,020,313
Crunching@EVGA 2,909,669,020
University of Waterloo 2,892,222,645
Georgetown University Faculty Staff and Students 2,726,853,334
Overclock.net 2,689,663,602
Team niconico 2,496,142,449
BOINC Synergy 2,443,557,345
Kansas State University 2,433,072,454
USA 2,429,375,157
NJIT IST 2,381,513,615
Hungary 2,307,728,783
Ubuntu Linux 2,293,249,371
HEISE-Team Germany 2,225,794,281
Gay US 2,195,525,517
TitanesDC 2,145,169,772
RedRaider Technology 2,136,598,499
Sweden 2,125,180,054
KAUST 2,075,445,911
The Edwardians 2,074,643,387
(mt) Media Temple 2,037,321,816
Team Oy 1,952,914,561
Finland 1,941,212,869
BOINCstats 1,921,607,112
ACC-IRT 1,896,494,848
USA Community Grid 1,860,400,416
The Knights Who Say Ni! 1,841,073,007
Fundación Proacceso 1,833,239,579
boinc.at 1,788,594,014
BOINC@MIXI 1,744,048,163
Brony@Home 1,731,945,505
HTCMania 1,724,311,808
BOINC.SK 1,714,429,914
CANAL@Boinc 1,704,336,893
Atheists/Agnostics 1,691,237,761
SARTA 1,622,773,889
ek$i sozluk cpu power 1,580,673,768
Czech Republic 1,577,554,935
IBM Canada 1,553,212,989
U.S.Air Force 1,552,364,502
localwurst 1,538,761,399
America (USA) 1,519,875,741
The survivors 1,487,470,700
Wisconsin 1,471,329,889
Sicituradastra. 1,467,463,702
IBM Web Innovators & Friends 1,458,979,635
Something Awful Goons 1,450,134,574
BRASIL 1,439,738,717
Bulgaria 1,436,423,038
JISATORA@W-ASCII 1,420,343,301
Clemson School of Computing 1,409,193,667
Romania 1,403,914,043
US NAVY 1,391,372,430
Croatia 1,370,291,900
Vulture Central III 1,347,159,590
IBM Massachusetts 1,345,076,526
5by14 1,326,117,167
SETIKAH@KOREA 1,321,475,521
Mormon Community Grid 1,303,041,450
TEAM SHACHI-HOKO JAPAN 1,290,916,004
Electronic Sports League (ESL) 1,272,719,535
Fairleigh Dickinson University 1,265,328,884
The Scottish Boinc Team 1,250,959,136 (123rd :dance: )
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 1,245,281,525
UK BOINC Team 1,243,932,619
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#99 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:06 am

123rd for WCG is Good!
Bad is that Boincstats & the rest will always have us at 124th https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0
My inclination is, like Sphynx, to give up on WCG on the basis that they have given up on BOINC.
Obviously, I'm open to other views! Post them please!

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#100 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Cruncher Pete » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:54 am

I agree Willie. I already made up my mind not to crunch WCG anymore, but am keeping an eye on it hoping to some change in attitude. WCG always wanted to be different from the rest of us. If they don't need my help, than that is fine. It is either BOINC or nothing . Apart from that the cost of Electricity to run my machines is becoming questionable, is it worth it. One less Project to worry about might help.
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#101 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:33 am

For the first time in months BoincStats just updated WCG!
Hurrah!
Whatever I said the departure of WCG would never have killed BOINC but it would have been a serious amputation.
But everything is alright now!
And TSBT are 122nd! Now!
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#102 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Alez » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:01 pm

So is all forgiven with WCG ?
Droids back on it, or at least what i can muster to run just now.

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#103 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:03 am

I'll get back on WCG before long. Close to a 50 year badge.

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#104 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:47 pm

Alez wrote:
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So is all forgiven with WCG ?
Hell, No!

Not now, not ever! :lol:

But now that they are reporting their stats properly again and we remain outwith the top 100 then it's Game On again.

Full steam ahead, give or take the odd FB sprint.

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#105 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:08 am

I got my 50mil and 50k hours on Distributed Hardware Evolution Project so I'm back on WCG between FB sprints.

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#106 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:12 pm

121st Now!

ESL bites the dust!

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#107 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Cruncher Pete » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:10 am

I'm putting 7 boxes on it, I hope that will help.
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#108 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Cruncher Pete » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:10 pm

Cruncher Pete TSBT wrote:
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I'm putting 7 boxes on it, I hope that will help.
Well. that didn't last long, now only running one box. Last night my Safety and Power Switches tripped. It can't be overload as whilst we are asleep only the fridges and the boxes are running. This is the second time this happened. It tripped the Safety switch alone two days ago, also at night. I am baffled. I hate intermittent faults. I'll check the Power Supplies but I think I am wasting time. In the mean time I am running the boxes one at a time.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
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#109 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:44 am

Shame. Still it's the thought that counts and obviously we appreciate any assistance, great or small.
Hope you get to the root of your power problems soon. It might be an overload, if there are a lot of them on the one circuit.

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#110 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Alez » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:19 pm

As reported we are up to 121st now. :clap:

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118 Vulture Central III192,191,041
119 Mormon Community Grid 189,696,764
120 TEAM SHACHI-HOKO JAPAN 187,895,011
121 The Scottish Boinc Team 184,438,048
122 Electronic Sports League (ESL) 182,998,738

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#111 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:26 am

Well Biblepay us about to pass us to take 121st :(

On the bright side, just 10 more years to go on Zika for my 2nd 50 year badge! :-)

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#112 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:30 am

Biblepay have moved past & beyond. We need worry about them no more - presumably a case of Gridcoin bothers God?
Whatever we are now 122nd!
we shall have 121st back by the end of the month. At this rate 100th should be ours by spring 2019!

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#113 Re: WCG team position

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Will help as much as I can :D
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#114 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:11 pm

:-) Excellent! And welcome to the Forum.

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#115 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:05 am

121st! Again

No imminent threats in sight so let's get moving on up!


105th by Xmas?

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#116 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:50 pm

Where do I see that ranking please? I am only seeing "Points Generated (Rank) 1,321,736,423 (#123)" on my https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/v ... berPage.do page (#127 on runtime, #103 on results returned)

I'm averaging about 125K points per day at the moment with my available hardware but have self-justified purchase of a 22-core Xeon to build a new system so that should help a bit.

Does WCG have work for GPUs as well? I am uncertain whether mine are being used

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#117 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:05 pm

You look at the BoincStats team rankings for WCG here...https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0

Or Free-DC WCG team stats here (you will need to go to the next 100 teams)...https://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?pag ... &proj=bwcg

WCG does not currently have any GPU projects.

What is your WCG username? I don't see any new TSBT members on WCG.

BTW, WCG points and Boinc points used for the BoincStats team ranks are not equal. Boinc points are roughly 1/7 of the points the WCG project awards users. So your 125k WCG points per day will show as around 17.8k Boinc points per day on BoincStats and Free-DC stats

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#118 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:09 pm

Ah thanks - I gave up on BoincStats TBH
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What is your WCG username? I don't see any new TSBT members on WCG.
davidBAM - joined just over a week ago

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#119 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:58 pm

On your WCG account page, when you click the My Team button what is the BOINC Team Id?

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#120 Re: WCG team position

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