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#181 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:22 pm

16 new threads on an E5-2690v1 crunching WCG this morning. They are in a freeBSD VM on a twin-processor, freeBSD host under bhyve virtualisation. Will be interesting to see how each thread earns / performs as I have a similar processor in another machine running on bare metal

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#182 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by jockmacmad2 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:39 pm

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Nice message David.
Even if it just gets one or two people crunching again then its worth while. At very least it should help keep the silent stalwarts on-board.
I restarted for a wee while and threw in some WCG.

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#183 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:45 pm

Hi Jock,
Good to hear from you! Truly a blast from the past!
Don’t leave it another 5 years before your next post! :o
No disrespect to the current crew, but it would be excellent to have another of my vintage hanging out in the forum!
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#184 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:18 pm

Thanks everyone - I think I am going to enjoy this job :-)

Especially nice to hear that you are back at the wheel Jock. Many thanks

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#185 Re: WCG team position

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Megacruncher wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:45 pm
Hi Jock,
Good to hear from you! Truly a blast from the past!
Don’t leave it another 5 years before your next post! :o
No disrespect to the current crew, but it would be excellent to have another of my vintage hanging out in the forum!
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That's a fair cop Willie :)

Only issue all the kit is so old now even finding drivers is a pain and took me 6 hours to get the GPU's back online. Damn but I had to install Windows as well due to AMD/ATI Driver 'opportunities'.

Anyway I supplemented a little 8-) to kickstart the numbers but not for long then it will be back to a steady trickle :violin: .
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#186 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:16 pm

No probs Jock. Mony a Mickle maks a muckle, as my granny used to erroneously say.

Impressed to hear that you’ve still got the stuff & even more that you’ve managed to get it all working again.
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#187 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:55 pm

The March to 100th progresses. Thankfully largely uninterrupted by the penultimate 2018 FB challenge.
115th Now!
We shall be up another place by the weekend & up 2 more by the end of next week.
As flagged up by Bryan the Neumannium Labs juggernaut is bearing down on us and will overtake us probably at the beginning of December, ish.
That aside: All good. :-)

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#188 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Alez » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:50 am

As reported we are up to 115th place now. :clap: Seemed like a good excuse for a table post :lol: and who doesn't love a good table ? :ugeek:

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113 Bulgaria 210,512,202
114 BRASIL207,674,929
115 The Scottish Boinc Team 206,851,047
116 US NAVY 206,062,479
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#189 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:47 am

114th

In less than 4 days we'll move up 2 more spots :D We're doing quite well :dance:
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#190 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:49 pm

We are doing fantastically Bryan & most of the credit must go to you. Thank you.
What once looked like it would take a year or more is going to happen within a couple of months at most.
And this time we will hold on to top 100 status!
Not squander it like we did 10 years ago.

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#191 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:09 am

Within a few days my WCG is going to drop. OET pays about 15-20% better than the other projects but it is finished. My machines will run out of OET cache over the next 3-4 days. None are trusted on any other app so what I produce will go into pending for a while.

I also need to start getting ready for remote operation - we'll be heading south for the winter around the 1st of the year. I want to upgrade all machines from Mint 17 to Mint 19. Of course when I do that I'll take machines off line 1 at a time so it won't be a complete drop.

I figure we'll get it done within 2 months ... maybe sooner.

EDIT: I will also be retiring 2 machines (48 threads) around Dec 10th. There is a possibility that I will retire 3 machines (72 threads) but if I do that I will be adding a 2nd 2990WX :D
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#192 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Cruncher Pete » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:28 am

I just made Primegrid NNW for CPU and in fact Aborted a lot of units as they will not be finished before the close of the Sprint and even if they do they will only be going into pending. Which means as Bryan is slowing down I will take the slack. All machines now running WCG and they will take over the Primegrid slots as soon as they finish.

I do have two rigs that to date have not been diagnosed properly (Suspect CPU as the tester shows High Negative 12 V (flashing)). At this stage I can't afford another PSU as I am waiting for Father Christmas to deliver to me a new 64 thread Threadripper. The only problem is that he wants money up front and there is only three pension pay days to Christmas. The Mrs aint going to help for she spends all her money on food and she has no idea of priority. Oops, I better be careful here for she might even turn the power off.
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#193 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:14 am

Cruncher Pete wrote:
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Aborted a lot of units
I've done a bit of this myself but can't help feeling a touch bad about it. Is it quite prevalent because, if so, I'll abort jobs rather than wait for hours before, say, reloading a machine with a different OS

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#194 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:34 am

@davidBAM - on most projects aborting WU is no big deal. Most projects immediately put them at the front of the queue and they get resent quickly. So even if they have a wingman it won't delay them that long.

@Cruncher Pete - Don't run the MIPs WU, they pay very poorly! Anything else pays quite a bit better. I hope you get that new 2990WX for Christmas. You'll love it!

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#195 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Alez » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:13 pm

It's better to abort tasks staright away so they can be sent out again to others rather than hanging onto unwanted work and finally aborting days later.
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#196 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:33 pm

I just tried Linux (Mint 19) on the 2990WX.

In the past I’ve generally tried Linux on what ever was the feeblest rig in the farm at the time. Even if I did manage to get BOINC running, the improvement over Windows was usually modest & heavily offset by the fact that I could never get the GPU crunching.

Not this time. Installed & BOINCing, GPU & all, in less than 40 minutes.

I am massively impressed at the performance improvement on WCG. For instance It used to complete an OpenZika WU in c.150 min. On Linux it takes c.55min & earns the same credits.

This is collosal. Why didn’t you tell me it was this good? I know you are, mostly, Linux fans but I assumed that a matter of geek snobbery. :wink: If I’d realized I could double my credit I would have persevered.

Verily, I am a sinner saved! :pray:

Is it like this across the board or is this magnitude of improvement particular to WCG or to this processor?

Anyhoo the point is that my WCG RAC should be increasing quite a bit very soon. Which is nice.

Whatever, we will be 112th by tomorrow. :dance:

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#197 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:38 pm

:D :D :D
Megacruncher wrote:
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Why didn’t you tell me it was this good?
I would have (if I had known myself) :lol: :lol:

which GPU?

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#198 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:45 pm

Hmmmm, did anyone bother to read post 156 in this thread? :roll:

It is that way on all machines not just the 2990WX.

Avoid MIPs ... it pays very poorly.

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#199 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:58 pm

Seems I did :P I can't actually remember unchecking this box but obviously I did
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#200 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:04 pm

@Megacruncher - your timing is perfect. The 2990WX ran out of OET WU and I've transitioned to Zika. It's too early to tell what the reduction will be. I was getting 100k/day on OET.

Within 24 hours all machines will have to make the move to Zika. None of the machines are trusted so it will take at least a day to get back up to speed so I'm going to take a hit for a few days.

With you switching to Linux it should more than compensate for my drop :D Onwards and upwards!

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#201 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:16 pm

BTW, if you have to or want to switch projects and you aren't trusted the best way is to either set WCG to ZERO resource or better is to set an individual machine to .01/.02 in your Boinc Client Preferences.

That way it will only give you enough WU to match the number of threads the machine has. Once the projects VALIDATES 14-15 WU a machines becomes trusted and WCG will give you WU that don't require a wingman. When you get to that point you can open up your preferences and load your cache.

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#202 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Cruncher Pete » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:36 pm

I have a feeling of being left behind here. Not to be outdone, I ordered a 2990WX a few minutes ago and I should receive it in a couple of days.
@DaveThe two Disks that I burned is not damaged as I discovered that they both installed perfectly on Win7 machines. It just refused to install on Win10. So, onward and upward in a couple of days with a full Linux farm. I will have the opportunity to try Mint19 as well as lubunto 18.10. I must admit I tend to like Mint better even after just a few minutes on it and the 1080Ti GPU installed with Mint automagically.

Today is No computer day as I will not be home anyhow for most of the day but I will get into it as soon as I return. :dance:
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#203 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:56 pm

Cruncher Pete wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:36 pm
Not to be outdone, I ordered a 2990WX a few minutes ago and I should receive it in a couple of days.
Fantastic Pete ... it'll do about 50% more credits than ANY of your E5 V4 Xeon machines :shock:

I tried to order the parts for a 2nd 2990WX this morning but no one has either ASUS or MSI motherboards in stock :( There are some Gigabyte MB available but I've used the other 2 brands many times over the years and I've had really good success so I want to stick with those!

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#204 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:57 pm

Excellent news Pete

Yes, Linux Mint is 100% my system of choice for my main workstation(s) where I do my day job. I tend to describe it to Windows fans as Windows XP without the crashes :P

I also crunch quite happily on Linux Mint while I am working BUT I would have to say that GPU crunching is easier on Lubuntu or Ubuntu - especially for AMD GPU
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#205 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:00 pm

Does the 2990WX also hyperthread for 64 threads? (Yes I understand that the improvement isn't 100% but it is still an improvement

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#206 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Bryan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:03 pm

Yes sir ... I think AMD calls it SMT instead of HT but there are 64 threads.

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#207 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:12 pm

Bryan wrote:
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ASUS or MSI motherboards
Asus are one of my favourites mobo manufacturers too. That said, I have a couple of Asrock which I also really like

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#208 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Cruncher Pete » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:17 pm

Bryan wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:56 pm

I tried to order the parts for a 2nd 2990WX this morning but no one has either ASUS or MSI motherboards in stock :( There are some Gigabyte MB available but I've used the other 2 brands many times over the years and I've had really good success so I want to stick with those!
Funny about that. When I ordered the 1950X I could only get the ASROCK x399 Taichi board. I was happy with it so I ordered another at that time and soon after that I got the second 1950. Now I hope to retire for a short time the 1950 and replace it with the 2990. Hopefully it will work with an BIOS update. The 1950 should go back on line before Xmas.

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#209 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by Megacruncher » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:47 pm

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I’m sure I did read post 156 & no doubt that subliminally influenced my move. Your 75% gain claim does seem rather conservative, however. I’ll be switching over 2 of the remaining Threadrippers and the Xeon over the next couple of days. I’d better refrain from forcing anyone else in the family to adopt Mint. My 15yo son would be particularly horrified if I messed with his gaming PC, although, now I think about it, it wouldn’t do him any harm if it ran Linux while he was at school & he could boot it back into windows when he comes home. :twisted:

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The GPU is the 1080Ti. It seems to run Primegrid exactly as it did under windows. I’m not able to get any other GPU project to run on it. But one step at a time.

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Way to go! I can assure you that you are way ahead of me & likely to remain so despite me finally seeing the light at this late stage in the game.

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#210 Re: WCG team position

Unread post by davidBAM » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:55 pm

Collatz wouldn't run for me on Linux Mint/nVidia - something to do with Cuda vs OpenCL driver support I think. I expect that will change as I understand Mint is based on Ubuntu (just that it is based on an earlier version)

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