WCG team position

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:10 pm

I'd appreciate confirmation that my tallies are now being included in TSBT totals. Thanks

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:51 pm

I think the change was made too late to be included in today's stats update. We can look tomorrow. Use this link and it will list all the TSBT members on WCG...
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/user/list/12/0/10148

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:09 am

The problem isn't with BOINCStats - it's WCG. Their response to GDPR has been really paranoid. As well as excluding themselves from all the stats sites for a few months it looks as if they have decreed that all new members are going to want to stay anonymous. Which they will unless they try as hard as you to find out how to opt in to being a visible member of the community.

As scole says you should be in the stats tomorrow.

Other projects are easier to work with. And you'll need one if you want to use your GPU(s). Can I suggest http://www.gpugrid.net/ as a good start. Their site is really helpful in telling you how to get the necessary drivers etc.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:28 am

Yup, davidBAM, you are in the stats big-time. Our biggest contributor yesterday & 60th over time. Not too shabby for a Newbie!

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:34 am

And we'll be back to help on WCG in a of couple days. Some of us are crunching Yoyo for the current Formula Boinc Sprint Challenge.

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:37 am

That's all good thanks - I'll bask in my 24 hours of fame

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:34 am

Up to #122 on https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/v ... berPage.do (but I realise you go by the boincstats site)

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:32 am

#120… we've overtaken the Tabernacle choir https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:23 pm

As reported we are up to 120th now.

WCG position

Position	Team	Points
117	Croatia	197,198,067
118	SETIKAH@KOREA	195,598,364
119	Vulture Central III	194,180,806
120	The Scottish Boinc Team	193,321,400
121	Mormon Community Grid	193,292,221

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:29 am

Woo hoo!

Way to go, guys!

And we should be past the Vulture dudes within a couple of months.

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:11 pm

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:09 am Other projects are easier to work with. And you'll need one if you want to use your GPU(s). Can I suggest http://www.gpugrid.net/ as a good start. Their site is really helpful in telling you how to get the necessary drivers etc.

I have a Linux / nVidia combination available on a Dell m5520 laptop.

What I'd like to do is to give WCG 100% of the available CPU, and GPUGRID 100% of the GPU. I think this involves using 'web preferences' but am buggered if I can see where to setup web preferences on WCG. Help please?

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:52 am

[mention]davidBAM[/mention]

The ' web preferences' are available in WCG under your account - My Projects. Here you can select which projects to run.

For Prime Grid they are under your account - Your Account - Preferences for this project PrimeGrid preferences - Go to bottom of page and select Edit preferences. There tick the projects you want to run on Prime Grid ( ie select a GPU project or two and deselect any CPU projects )

In reality, due to the way the BOINC manager tries to balance out points gained, selecting WCG and Primegrid together will result in WCG running on CPU and Primegrid running on GPU.
Don't run a laptop at 100% cpu and GPU, it will run too hot and also in reality you need some CPU to ' feed' the GPU. At 100% cpu usage, the laptop will be unusable.
To start with I would suggest you run under BOINC - computer preferences in the manager I would set the following preferences.
use at most 50% of the CPUs
use at most 100% of CPU time ( never change this as it doesn't work properly and will simple cause the cpu's to cycle constantly. Always remove a core using the first option to limit how much time and temperatures of any CPU. )

See how that works for the laptop. If all is well you can turn the number of cores up to 75% or what ever you want. Be cautious at first. ( The % of cores is exactly what it states. 50% will use 2 cores of a 4 core CPU. 75% is 3 of 4 etc. What % you set is determined by how many cores you have. ) Always leave a core / thread free to feed a GPU if you run the GPU.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:44 am

In my experience you can safely run a laptop at 100% CPU but need to consider carefully whether to use the GPU for boinc at all. Unless you are up for frequent disassembling/defluffing of the laptop and always have spare GPU Coolers at hand, then I'd stick to CPU crunching, on WCG.

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:36 pm

Okay ta, I'll stop using the laptop GPU as the thing was getting rather hot

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:47 am

Yes, I’ve heard too many tales of major house fires caused by laptops on overnight to be willing to risk mine running 100% GPU plus 100% CPU 24/7. As I see it if it is a gaming laptop capable of cooling everything for short bursts then it should be able to cool all the CPUs indefinitely so long as the GPU is relaxing.

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:13 pm

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:29 am And we should be past the Vulture dudes within a couple of months.

Stormed past them today https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0

Post by **Megacruncher** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:28 pm

davidBAM wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:13 pm
Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:29 am And we should be past the Vulture dudes within a couple of months.
Stormed past them today https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0

Absolutely! 119th Now!

And there's more to come! Err..eventually!

October should see us gain a couple more places, and possibly lose one. But that'll be our last loss,amid several gains, before December.
We are holding our own [66th by RAC

], despite the unfortunate retiral of scole. I'm doing my bit, as are 15 other TSBT/WCG stalwarts. But most of the credit for keeping us in top 100 contention must go to davidBAM who most days is our biggest hitter. At this rate you should be top 10 in the team by Xmas!

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:34 am

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:28 pm At this rate you should be top 10 in the team by Xmas!

Ah ... Maybe not. I haven't seen my electricity bill yet

Ta for noticing though

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:22 am

You are right to worry about Mr Bill Lecky who has been the downfall of many an enthusiastic newbie, and sometimes a bright star, over the years. Just keep it real, monitored & sustainable & you’ll be fine.
And remember, for 3 seasons at least, if you live in Scotland (probably 4 seasons in Huntly:lol: ) having electrical appliances spewing out heat is a good thing, reducing the need for other sources of heating.

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:16 pm

Aye - using computers as space heaters is a point I make repeatedly myself to anyone who will listen ... hello ... HELLO !!

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:54 pm

Coal fire and stupid amounts of lecky for puters get me through the winter.

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:38 am

As reported we are up to 119th now.

WCG position

Position	Team	Points
116	Clemson School of Computing	202,665,225
117	Croatia	198,042,388
118	SETIKAH@KOREA	196,954,074
119	The Scottish Boinc Team	195,707,666
120	Vulture Central III	195,256,034

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:29 am

120th now though https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0 Somebody has shot past us but not sure who

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:55 am

Ahhhgh, it's an attack on our team. I'll get some screenshots to proeve it etc. etc.

Post by **UBT - Woodles** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:24 am

davidBAM wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:29 am 120th now though https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0 Somebody has shot past us but not sure who

Probably Byteball.org, nearly seven million credits a day!

Post by **Bryan** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:58 am

Alez wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:55 am Ahhhgh, it's an attack on our team. I'll get some screenshots to proeve it etc. etc.

Just don't go doing any "blackmailing" Alez!

I'm going to run WCG for a while. I'm now officially a BOINC whore and my pimp is Byteball.

After we finish the Thor challenge which runs from the 22nd to 29th I'll join you guys for a while. I might be able to give you a slight bump

Unfortunately, since my user name is linked to Byteball I won't be able to change it. So TSBT's rolls will be contaminated with Bryan @ SUSA

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:16 pm

[mention]Bryan[/mention] your always welcome to contaminate the forum, Susa or not

Post by **pinhodecarlos** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:07 pm

Anyone can get access to to rebels forum (seti.usa). Just need to confirm when to dump the WCG wus for the Thor challenge. Need a GMT hour.

Post by **Bryan** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:18 pm

You can dump anytime now Carlos. I dropped mine 12 hours ago

A damn shame I couldn't have dropped for TSBT - 10 day bunker worth 5M credits. Oh well, after the 29th I'll give you guys a hand.

BTW, the SUSA boards are down just like Free-DC. BOK is out-of-town but he should be home later today so things should return to normal.

Post by **pinhodecarlos** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:38 pm

I suppose the stats takes awhile to be updated.

Post by **Bryan** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:52 pm

pinhodecarlos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:38 pm I suppose the stats takes awhile to be updated.

The 1st days stats will appear at about 0100 UTC tonight and then at that time through the 29th. Go to your account on WCG, click on "My Team" and towards the bottom you will see the link to the challenge stats.

Post by **Bryan** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:07 pm

Okay folks, OFF YOUR BUTTS. Time to hit WCG

BTW, with the exception of MIPs ALL other apps run about 75% faster using LInux.

The order of payout:

OET - going away in a few days
Zika - pays a little better than SCC
SCC - pays a little less that Zika
MIPs - way down / pays poorly

NOTE: my credits will be down a little today but should return to normal tomorrow. I was doing some benchmarking/optimization on the new computer so it was not on WCG.

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:40 pm

WCG is my go-to project so this is good news as I switched back at end of the Sprint. All on Linux too. I'll untick MIPs based on your info though, thanks

ETA : Wowsers - how many cores have you got to be doing 360K per day

Post by **Bryan** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:56 pm

davidBAM wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:40 pm
ETA : Wowsers - how many cores have you got to be doing 360K per day

I've got a few

360k - that's what I was saying, my numbers are down. They should improve by tomorrow at least while OET continues. I don't know how far down it'll go when I have to switch to Zika but I'm guessing a drop of maybe 30% (pure guess).

Post by **Bryan** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:35 am

We'll jump 2 positions tomorrow - 118th. 3M to position 117. No fast movers behind us at least in the 100-200 positions. Well, there is 1 team 6M behind doing a little under 500k/day.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:26 am

Indeed, 118th Now!
It’s great having you onboard Bryan.
We’ve been making steady progress over the course of the year but your presence has already helped things along a big bit.
I’ve got all my working cores on WCG including 64 threads on my latest Threadripper 2990WX. Oh yes! I reckon it possibly doubles my WCG capacity and I’d hope to be nudging 6 figures per day once it’s all running full out.
Full steam ahead!

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:44 am

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:26 am Threadripper 2990WX

Nice

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:35 am

davidBAM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:44 am
Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:26 am Threadripper 2990WX
Nice

Very!

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:59 am

Wait until you download 2 days of WU for the next bunker operation. You'll have many many pages listing them in boincmgr

I have a 44 thread xeon e5-2696v4 and that certainly gets plenty. Same mobo can take a second processor so I might put it on my Santa list

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:08 am

Speaking of 2990WX, I notice you have a GTX 1080Ti in yours. What wattage of PSU are you using for it? I had originally planned on moving one of my 1080Ti GPUs to the new machine (haven't done it yet) which has a 1000W supply. I haven't had the opportunity to play with it to see if that is enough PSU. When I brought the machine up I spent 1 hour on Windows running Prime95 to make sure the cooling was working. Then I switched to Linux and started a 17 day run on WCG for the Thor challenge. I really haven't had the opportunity to play around yet.

Running OET on LInux I'm getting 100k/day from it. I'm a happy camper

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:25 am

davidBAM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:59 am Wait until you download 2 days of WU for the next bunker operation. You'll have many many pages listing them in boincmgr I have a 44 thread xeon e5-2696v4 and that certainly gets plenty. Same mobo can take a second processor so I might put it on my Santa list

WCG will give a max of 1100 WU to a machine. On OET, the 2990WX goess through those in 3 days

On other projects, like ZIka, it only lasts 2 days because some of the WU are really short.

david, if you add a 2nd CPU get with me and I'll tell you how to get it to work in WIndows. WIndows only supports 64 memory channels (NUMA). There is a technique to run 2 instances of BOINC with one assigned to each CPU. Then you get 128 memory channel capability. Linux supports the 88 threads without any problem.

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:29 am

Thanks Bryan. Good to know. I'm a unix-only house (which is what keeps me so young

)

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:36 am

Cruncher Pete wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:32 am
I heard somebody mentioning that it is not worth going past 64 threads for some reason or other on windows. I think Bryan might be able to shed some light on this, I am only going from memory and I am known to have pensioner moments..

Hey Pete, it works fine if you know the secret handshake and you have the right karma

As I mentioned above you have to run 2 instances of BOINC and assign 1 instance to each of the CPUs.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:00 pm

@ Bryan
The 2990WX with 1080Ti seems to be quite happy with an 800W PSU. I’d worried that it might be too feeble. But it’s a fairly good quality Corsair one & it seems to be managing. Am I likely to burn the house down? It doesn’t seem to be running hot.

Post by **Bryan** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:59 pm

Our numbers continue to climb on WCG. According to Bstats, TSBT did 834k yesterday!

OET is still issuing work and it pays the best - by far IIRC.

I think the Sprint starts in 5 days. While you guys go forth and kick butt I'll hold down the fort on WCG

Post by **Megacruncher** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:49 pm

Thanks Bryan.
We should be up another place to 117th by tomorrow!
Already our RAC is up to 329K which is 43rd best in the world.

Post by **Bryan** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:36 pm

I was looking at the stats on WCG yesterday and TSBT is in position 100 for the number of results returned

Website · Post by **davidbam** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:42 pm

Bryan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:36 pm I was looking at the stats on WCG yesterday and TSBT is in position 100 for the number of results returned

Personal best for me yesterday, broke the 1K barrier with 1082 results returned according to https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/v ... History.do

Not sure if a result shows on that page when it is returned or when it is validated? I am guessing when validated

Post by **Bryan** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:53 pm

I'm pretty sure that that is showing the number "validated" because for a while you'll show something there even when you haven't turned anything in.

My numbers may drop tomorrow since I have a machine that overloaded itself. I expect when the WU get cancelled by the server for being too late then I will drop out of the "trusted" mode and everything will go to Pending Verification status.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:57 am

We are up to 117th now!

We should be at least another couple of places ahead by Wednesday end.

Our RAC is up to 419K which is 32nd in the world.