Hi All,Megacruncher wrote:
A spirited debate between Iain Inglis, a true green believer in man-made global warming, and Derek, who is a prophet for the coming ice-age,
has got all acrimonious & personal & Iain has left the team while
Derek, who stopped crunching ages back,
has been told to stop posting.
A devastated silence has followed with no posts on the Boinc bit of their forum in 5 days.
Errrr, Willie, may I pick you up on, "Derek, who is a prophet for the coming ice-age,".
Really, me, that, news to me....Well, it is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it Willie.
That said, one thing does appear certain from what records we do have - an ice age does seem inevitable, it is just a question of when,
sometime in the next 8,000 years seems probable, BUT, no one knows with any certainty.
AND that possibility or it's probable drivers (Milankovich [orbital], solar, lunar, oceanic cycles and phases,
plus factors we are not sure of, or do not know of or understand to any meaningful degree at present, ie, Svensmark effect)
ain't being modelled.
What is not modelled adds up to a massive opportunity TO MODEL, but that is simply not allowed to be considered.
I questioned to try to get improvements in what was modelled, "they" did not want to know,
because, according to them, it is a "settled science".
- It was once "settled" that the earth was flat,
modern climate modelling is absolutely no better, and
equally an as blinkered approach.
Well, OK, so some people do seem to get hot under the collar if anyone (me for example) dares to question the present "consensus's" position / """theory""".
Especially if said person is prepared to research, and back up what and why they question........
ie - "Reliability" of met Office weather forecasts.
Shame the answers were not of the same standards............
Saul Alinsky springs to mind, as explained below.
http://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info/f ... d-459.html
and,
In all honesty I think the thread that really got Iain to go off like he has, was this one.
http://www.scottishwebcamslive.com/boar ... =22&t=4247
AND, why has Iain left the Team. ?
I have said I will not post there again regarding climate modelling / scepticism, and I will not (several people privately have described Ian's request as gagging me).
For clarity I have not let anyone else see the email except SST at GWS - and that was in strictest confidence.
I have asked Iain for a reasonable discussion, in a reasonable manner, with a reasonable question.
I thought this a reasonable question, or starting point for a discussion.
"The variations, and causes of perfectly natural climate variations are niether understood, or quantified.
Patently the "human contribution" to climate overall, wether it be large, small, or insignificant,
is not known, and can not be a "settled science". "
Iain has not even attempted an answer.
But yet Iain has left the Team (presumably taking his credits with him).
I wonder, did he ask for, or demand something more from Ian with regards to "Derek must be dealt with"......?
I have never left the Team as it would loose the Team those credits I did accrue.
Reeltime - "Either of them poachable?"
- I think you may misunderstand the basis of the discussions and why "they" are so "off" with me.
AND, why I do not crunch what is a waste of time any longer.
If I thought there was the remotest chance it may help, I would still be crunching but
the basis of the models is sooooo far out and disconnected from reality and observation I do not see the point.
I have tried to explain what I have found out the models actually model and why linked to below.
OK, so 38 pages ain't short, but there is much to realise about WHAT is modelled, and WHY.
http://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info/f ... d-309.html
If anyone can not access that site, or would rather not, then just pm me an email address here and I'll send you a copy of the pdf (1.8Mb) by email ASAP.
BTW - The pdf was deliberately written "accepting" the greenhouse effect "theory",
which I do question to exsist at all now I have looked into it a bit deeper.
Certainly space is not cold, how can nothing have a temperature ?
Oh, how I wish I could of asked Einstein, "Please explain, how do you bend nothing. ?"
But that is another "story".