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#51 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Okay thanks, I'll probably just put Raspian on it as I can give it other minor network duties too
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Give it a go, what's the worst that can happen ? Can't help with the Pi as I've never owned one. All my droids are versions of 4 or 8 core tv boxes. Think I have 11 at the moment in various states of running or not. Biggest issue with all the TV boxes is power. Nearly all have 1A power supplies and to crunch 24/7 you really need 2A supplies or the PSU's die with depressing regularity. :evil:
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I just loaded Raspian and am now crunching for yoyo@home. It was a breeze.

Currently allowing 75% of CPU time and keeping an eye on the cpu temperature (I only fitted a little passive heatsink)
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Alez wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:27 am Give it a go, what's the worst that can happen ? Can't help with the Pi as I've never owned one. All my droids are versions of 4 or 8 core tv boxes. Think I have 11 at the moment in various states of running or not. Biggest issue with all the TV boxes is power. Nearly all have 1A power supplies and to crunch 24/7 you really need 2A supplies or the PSU's die with depressing regularity. :evil:
My Raspberry Pi's have PSU's of at least 2.5A -up to 3.1A for the Pi 3...
Raspberry themselves have an universal adapter that supplies 2.5A and works virtually everywhere due to the exchangeable connectors, giving you power plug in, micro usb out:
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davidBAM wrote: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:29 am I just loaded Raspian and am now crunching for yoyo@home. It was a breeze.

Currently allowing 75% of CPU time and keeping an eye on the cpu temperature (I only fitted a little passive heatsink)
Here's my favorite nerd explaining how Raspberries are meant to be cooled:
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Things to look out for while running BOINC on the Raspberry
  • yellow flash in the right upper corner of monitor = not enough juice (Amps, as in ampere)
  • red thermometer in the right upper corner of monitor = cpu is throttling due to overheating
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Humph - I am not very impressed by the points awarded (2nd column) by YoYo on my newer Raspberry Pi3. They are only ever a small fraction of the points claimed (first column). The older Pi3 is fine (2nd picture)

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Am now running a couple of Rasp Pi3 computers inside a regular PC case. I am picking up 5V power supply from an unused Molex plug (of the type that used to go on IDE hard disks) :o :o

Will be doing the same for Android TV box(es)
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Getting about 2400 points per day on Universe@Home from each pi3. Better than a poke in the eye
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#60 Re: Raspberry Pi

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You need to get WUProp on those systems and all the others. The ARM systems are great for racking up WUProp hours.
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#61 Re: Raspberry Pi

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To be honest, I've never understood what WUProp is all about. Off to look for a thread.

I ran it on a Xeon core for a while but it just said something like 'low CPU usage' so I figured it wasn't worth running :P
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#62 Re: Raspberry Pi

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scole of TSBT wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:22 am You need to get WUProp on those systems and all the others. The ARM systems are great for racking up WUProp hours.
and some goofy points too .... monkeys / keyboards .... what's not to love :D
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#63 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Strange but I only seem to get a single Seti WU on the pi whereas I get 4 of anything else
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#64 Re: Raspberry Pi

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davidBAM wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:33 pm Strange but I only seem to get a single Seti WU on the pi whereas I get 4 of anything else
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#65 Re: Raspberry Pi

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My Pi-stack. 2 RPi 2 and 2 RPi 3. Also have, not shown, a RPi B+ and RPi 3 B+. They run Pi-hole.net DNS ad blocker. 3B+ also crunches. Run a combo seti and e@h on all except B+. Used copper GPU memory chip heat sinks and a USB 120mm fan for cooling the stack.

Ordered a Asus Tinker Board last night. Going to go with Android and WCG on it. Getting ready for summer months when I have to start shutting down the heavy iron. lol


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#66 Re: Raspberry Pi

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WCG is a good choice to run. Basically have all my android systems running WCG because it is stable and reliable along with WUProp to keep everything aligned. .
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#67 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Looked at the CPU specs on the new Pi4 and didn't see a game-changing leap in performance (at least not on paper)

I might be daft but decided to make an offer to an eBay seller for 8 Pi3 instead in the hope that they'd be overstocked. Wish I'd offered less since they accepted right away. Bizarrely I had enough microSD cards from a phase of heavy photography so they are all now running (on computer PSU)

Experimenting with very long-term speculative bunkering on YoYo and DHEP
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#68 power connector

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This lets me power several Rpi3 from Molex connectors on the PC power supply. +5V and ground are the only ones needed

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Male Molex is pictured but if you bother with it, you will need a female Molex
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Rack of 6 Pi3 sitting between PSU and first GPU in an open rack case. AIO pump is underneath and radiator above. Powered as above via Molex connectors

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davidBAM wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:05 amLooked at the CPU specs on the new Pi4 and didn't see a game-changing leap in performance (at least not on paper)
The ARM Cortex-A72
  • Runs faster than the ARM Cortex-A53 (1500 MHz vs 1400 MHz on the Pi 3+),
  • Makes use of a 3-way super scalar, instead of the 2-way in the Cortex-A53,
  • Makes use of a 5-wide dispatch out-of-order execution for more efficient use of the instruction cycles (the A53 doesn't use out-of-order execution),
  • Has a pipeline depth of 15, vs 8 for the A53,
  • Has eight execution ports, vs 2 for the A53.
You might call the ARM Cortex-A7x the 'i7' category of ARM, while the ARM Cortex-A5x fall into the 'i5' category -there are even ARM Cortex-A3x CPUs that fall into a i3-like category.
A few graphs to prove it via Gareth Halfacree's "Benchmarking the Raspberry Pi 4"
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#71 Raspberry Pi4: the Benchmarks

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Raspberry Pi 3 & 3+ vs Raspberry Pi 4
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BenchmarkPi 3 @1200 MHzPi 3+ @1400 MHzPi 4 @ 1500 MHz
Linpack MIPS SP193.79224.89925.47
Linpack MIPS DP179.87209.23748.73
Linpack MIPS SP Neon460.91526.752037.33
Dhrystone2469.282824.635646.00
Whetstone711.2881063.1571883.00
See for more Roy Longbottom's Raspberry Pi Benchmarks and Stress Tests
The real proof of the pudding is BOINC itself of course. I'll climb my bike and ride to Leidschendam tomorrow to buy the 2GB Raspberry Pi 4 model B -the only model in stock at the moment.

Edit: the only thing worth mentioning about the 15-mile bike tour was that I spotted Scottish Highlanders (of the bovine variety) along the A4 (E19). The shop -that was relocated recently after a fire- no longer has a physical store and is a web shop nowadays. I hope they survive the fire and re-open to the public. I like to feel what I buy, before I buy it.
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#72 Re: Raspberry Pi

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davidBAM wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:47 pm Rack of 6 Pi3 sitting between PSU and first GPU in an open rack case. AIO pump is underneath and radiator above. Powered as above via Molex connectors

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Those are Raspberry Pi 3 model B+'s, as can be seen from the much bigger WiFi chip as compared to the original Raspberry Pi 3 model B -like mine.
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#73 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Rather than facing the bovine highlanders yet againe,
I ordered two Pi4's -online.
Where's that Dutch bicyclist we saw the other day?
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#74 Re: Raspberry Pi

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:lol: :lol: Seems like there is a story I don't know.
Dirk Broer wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:00 am I ordered two Pi4's -online.
Spooky - me too :clap:
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davidBAM wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:00 pm :lol: :lol: Seems like there is a story I don't know.
Dirk Broer wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:00 am I ordered two Pi4's -online.
Spooky - me too :clap:
Will they be delivered at your door at two to two, too?

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#76 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Not sure about that. With courier services in this area, September would be good :P
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I've even ordered at two different stores, to see which courier service/shop combination will be first.
When I was courier myself I once arrived together with two others...
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Mine arrived - only to find that I don't have a suitable HDMI cable. Sigh.

I thought I did but turns out mine is mini-HDMI to HDMI, the Pi4 uses micro-HDMI which I've never seen before. Ah well - only £2 but another 2 or 3 days
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Mine have still to arrive, but I have a suitable cable -from my de-commissioned BeagleBone Black.
This is the difference:
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P.S.: What are you using for cooling? The Pi 4 needs a fan+heatsink combo for BOINC. This is by far the most capable-looking Pi cooler:

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Glad you posted. I had only just put on my usual passive copper heatsinks which let me Boinc happily on Pi3. I pulled one off before the thermal glue dried :lol: :lol:

I left the other one on as, TBH, I am mainly keen to see how the Pi4 copes with the server-side of btsk. Actual crunching is very much secondary & only if btsk copes well with extreme bunkering (I think the Pi4 will cope well as an old laptop runs it fine).
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#81 Re: Raspberry Pi

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My pi3 rack is pictured in post #69 - before I put on heatsinks. Actually - I see 3 still need them, I wonder if that explains the performance difference I've been seeing
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davidBAM wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:05 amLooked at the CPU specs on the new Pi4 and didn't see a game-changing leap in performance (at least not on paper)
Benchmarks for the original Raspberry Pi 3 Model B -so not the B+ as used by DavidBAM-, using Raspbian Buster:
1137 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
25507 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Benchmarks for the Raspberry Pi 4 Model B, using Raspbian Buster:
2076 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
57237 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
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#83 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Main competitors for the Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 4GB seem to be the 2GB and 1GB models of the same Raspberry Pi 4 Model B, by virtue of their lower price.
And as long as you're running a 32-bit OS there might be competition from the ASUS Tinker Board or the Odroid XU4, but they're nearly double the price.

Also at almost double the price are the 64-bit Odroid-N2 and the Rock Pi 4.

The Odroid-N2 has an AmLogic S922X -a quad Cortex-A73 @1800 MHz and a dual Cortex-A53 @1900 MHz in big-LITTLE. It also has a eMMC Module Socket and a capable GPU, the Mali G52 MP6 @846Mhz, supporting OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0/3.x, OpenCL 1.1/1.2/2.0, so superior specs as compared to the Raspberry Pi 4. Oh, and it also runs Android 9.x [When can we have a new NativeBoinc, Scole?]

The Rock Pi 4 -that comes in both an A and a B variant with 1GB/2GB/4GB DDR4 RAM that both have already undergone at least 3 revisions so far- has fittingly a Rockchip SOC: the well-known RK3399, which is a Dual Cortex-A72 @1800 MHz coupled to a quad Cortex-A53 @1400 MHz in big-LITTLE. This gets sometimes advertised as a quad Cortex-A72 by nearsighted/incompetent/ruthless marketeers. The GPU is a Mali T860 MP4 @600MHz, supporting OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0/3.x, Vulkan 1.0, Open CL 1.1/1.2 and DX11. It has not only a eMMC module, but also a M.2 connector supporting up to 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD. So, while CPU and GPU do not impress -especially not when compared to the Odroid-N2- the other features are quite good.

Note that it is possible to run the GPU app for MilkyWay@Home, using the ARM Mali T-628, on an Odroid XU4 board, and MilkyWay@Home is not known for having the easiest hardware requirements. The Mali T-628 is -per core- not stronger than e.g. the Videocore IV of the Raspberry Pi...
If you want real ARM GPU power, then use the Adreno 680 of a Snapdragon 8cx.
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#84 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Funny, running a Pi4 with 32-bit Raspbian gives:
cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l)
BogoMIPS : 270.00
Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm crc32
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xd08
CPU revision : 3

running a Pi4 with a 64-bit kernel gives:
cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
BogoMIPS : 108.00
Features : fp asimd evtstrm crc32 cpuid
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 8
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xd08
CPU revision : 3


On the net I found a similair output for an Odroid-C2, running Android:
Hardware : ODROID-C2
processor : 0
model name : AArch64 Processor rev 4 (aarch64)
Features : fp asimd evtstrm crc32 wp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tlsi vfpv4 idiva idivt
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture : 8
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xd03
CPU revision : 4

Android is a 32bit user land and the /proc/cpuinfo information is "emulated" for backward compatibility.
Only "fp", "asimd", "evtstrm", "aes", "pmull", "sha1", "sha2" and "crc32" are valid AArch64 feature flags.
The rest are implied. Running a 32bit program will show the same feature flags as Android on Linux.

An ASUS Tinker Board running Tinker OS 2.03 (Armbian seems to be much better):
cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 1 (v7l)
BogoMIPS : 10.08
Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xc0d
CPU revision : 1

to be continued

BTW: both Pi4's fly through the WEP M2 WUs like hot knives through butter...
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#85 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Let's say you bought yourself the latest Raspberry Pi, the Raspberry Pi 4B with 8GB of RAM, what can you do with it? And what couldn't be done with earlier Pi's?

Let me first stress that the 8GB, together with the ARM Cortex-A72 allows for a 64-bit OS -e.g. Raspberry Pi OS to be used to the fullest extent.
From the Raspberry Pi 3B on (and even the 2nd edition of the Raspberry Pi 2B) the board had a 64-bit ARM Cortex-A53, but with only 1 GB of RAM. The Pi 4B was originally introduced with 1, 2 and 4 GB, the latter just having enough RAM to be able to run a 64-bit OS (and more than enough to run a 32-bit OS). The 1 GB model has been withdrawn since a few months and a 8 GB model has now been added to the line. That is as much RAM as is there in the PC of my missus, and twice the RAM as in the PC of my daughter! (she uses a hand-me-down Socket 775 Dell that won't accept more than 4GB and is due for a Ryzen 5 upgrade)

What projects have apps for ARM/Linux? And do they cater 64-bit?
*Does anyone have an overview for WCG? MIP and OPN can be done 32-bit natively and 64-bit with a hack at least*
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Albert@HomeBinary Radio Pulsar SearchYes
Amicable NumbersAmicable Numbers up to 10^21Yes
AsteroidsPeriod Search ApplicationYes
Einstein@HomeBinary Radio Pulsar SearchYes
GoofyxGrid@Home NCIMonkeys v1Yes
Monkeys v2Yes
Monkeys v3Yes
Monkeys v4Yes
iThenaiThena CNodeYesYes
LHC@HomeSixTrackYes
sixtracktestYes
RakeSearchRakeSearch for rank 10Yes
Ralph@HomeRosettaYes
Rosetta@HomeRosettaYes
Seti@HomeSeti@Home v8YesYes
Seti@Home BetaSeti@Home v8YesYes
T.Brada Experimental GridPADLS TotalYes
Symmetric Prime TuplesYes
TN-Grid Platformgene@home PC-IMYesYes
UniverseUniverse ULXYes
Universe BHspin v2Yes
Neutron Star and Black Hole formationYesYes
WEP-M+2Random-base WEP FactorizationYes
WUProp@HomeData collect version 4Yes
YoyoCruncher ogrYes
ecmYesYes
ecm P2YesYes
SieverYes
M QueensYes
If you have installed a 64-bit OS and want/need to run 32-bit apps, you might need to install 32-bit libraries to do so.
In case of wanting to run 32-bit apps under a 64-bit OS you get a message like "This project doesn't support computers of type aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu" from that project.
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#86 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Would a few Pi s be a useful way to add some cores to the farm without splashing out on yet another Threadripper? Any information on how the per core performance compares with say a 2990WX?
And where is the best place to buy these beasties?
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#87 Re: Raspberry Pi

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I use the Pi Hut - either on eBay or their own site

Would help if a few more projects supported them
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#88 Re: Raspberry Pi

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davidBAM wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:50 pmWould help if a few more projects supported them
I think that all projects that have Android apps as their sole non-x86 architecture app could easily port it to Linux/ARM, be it either 32- or 64-bit.
If their apps are opensource, even the community could do that.
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#89 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Okay so I've got my 8GB RPi 4B up and running.
It's lovely and cool (50degC) with it's splendid ICE-Tower cooler.
It's currently running Universe and early indications are that it might produce 20-25K Credits/pd.
I also got it running with a static IP.

I'm ordering another 3.

In the meanwhile I'd appreciate some advice:
Firstly -how to get it connected to btsk?
Secondly - can I use the Linux scripts previously uploaded by scole to set up multiple instances on the Pi (running Raspbian)? There's not much point in having loads of instances but 2 or 3 would be useful.
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#90 Re: Raspberry Pi

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yes - I use multi-instance on rpi

for btsk - run WUprop in every instance, usual password in gui_rpc_auth.cfg & btsk server IP in remote_hosts.cfg

Then add 3 lines at the end of /etc/hosts on btsk server. For EXAMPLE

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92.168.0.160	rpi1        #boinc= cpu=4   groups=rpi
92.168.0.161	rpi2        #boinc= cpu=4   groups=rpi
92.168.0.162	rpi3        #boinc= cpu=4   groups=rpi
That will find all instances on each
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#91 Re: Raspberry Pi

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TYVM!
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#92 Re: Raspberry Pi

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They won't be found instantly BTW - either wait a while or use yellow menu > hover > machine config > re-sync hosts
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#93 Re: Raspberry Pi

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the multiple instance thing worked. Then didn't. Now after a uninstall/reinstall of Boinc on the Pi, I've got it recognised on btsk which is cool, even if it's only as a single instance. Which on balance is still cool!
The other 3 are enroute!
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#94 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Megacruncher wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:42 pm the multiple instance thing worked. Then didn't. Now after a uninstall/reinstall of Boinc on the Pi, I've got it recognised on btsk which is cool, even if it's only as a single instance. Which on balance is still cool!
The other 3 are enroute!
You can use the the same /etc/rc.local file to auto-start any additional instances. Sounds like a reboot may have killed them off
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#95 Re: Raspberry Pi

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You can use the the same /etc/rc.local file to auto-start any additional instances.
Can you remind me how this works? Explain like I'm five y.o. sort of thing, please.
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#96 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Okay - we'll do it after you go to the toilet for Daddy
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#97 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Did you wash your hands?

Put this into a file called /etc/rc.local on the Rasp Pi. Save it. chmod +x /etc/rc.local and reboot. It will start an additional instance for every boinc directory it finds commencing at port 31501

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#!/bin/sh -e
# rc.local
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. Make sure that the script
# will "exit 0" on success or any othervalue on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution bits.

# start all extra boinc instances.  By David Foubister, TSBT
ls -d /var/lib/boinc[0-9]* | while read dir
do
  j=`echo $dir | tr -d a-z/`
  i=`expr 31500 + $j`
  /usr/bin/boinc4k --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port $i --dir $dir &
done
exit 0
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#98 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Splendid. I'll try that as soon as I get the chance.
Will it work on windows or do I need something equivant but different?
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#99 Re: Raspberry Pi

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I think you already use that on your other Linux crunchers TBH. I can see no value in additional instances if they don't auto-start :)

Talk to your Grandfather about auto-start on Windows as I haven't a clue ;)
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#100 Re: Raspberry Pi

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Have you chaps seem the new Raspberry Pi Turing board coming out? Will support 7x Pi 3+ compute modules. The Pi4 compute modules rumored to come out later this year.

https://turingpi.com/
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