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#1 "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:35 am

I recently bought a Ryzen 5 2400G to replace my Athlon A12-9800E. This was meant to be a so-called "Drop-in" replacement. :twisted:
Not quite so. I have now re-installed Linux Mint 20.1 four times, and each time the install is ready and says to remove the installation medium and press 'enter' I am greeted with a black screen. If I choose to run Linux Mint from the USB stick everything works flawlessly.

Haha, I hear you thinking, you should hold the 'shift' key, to start Grub. Not so, this is an EUFI system and you need to press 'Esc' for that.
But the most depressing thing is that this only works one out of ten tries -you can hear from the sound the system fan makes if it will actually start or only give a black screen that does not react to any key. And while the first install brought me in a normal Grub afterwards, later installs brought only command line Grub, and after giving 'exit' I get a mile-long PCIE, TLP and DLLP error list. If the system starts afterwards, it is for a few minutes and the screen goes black. :angryfire:
After a few days you begin to suspect the PSU, the Mobo, the CPU and/or the hard disk (Yup, old SATA HDD) and all combinations of them.
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#2 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by SolidAir79 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:43 am

Has your bios been updated on your motherboard for the new cpu?
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#3 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:49 am

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Has your bios been updated on your motherboard for the new cpu?
I had updated the Asrock A320M Pro4 BIOS to 5.50 previously and was running the A12-9800E on it.
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#4 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:58 pm

Funny thing when searching for these errors is that they come up for both AMD and Intel and both Linux and Windows, often in combination with the X99 (Intel) or X399 (AMD) chipset.
But I have just a lowly A320 that functioned good for years...I just wanted better GPU performance, and more threads :(
It turned out to be a Power State Management conflict, and once I heard the hard drive kick in I was able to edit GRUB from
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset pci=nommconf"
....and was able to boot and have video. BOINC even ran!

Next hurdle: AMDGPU PRO drivers in Linux Mint 20.1. As some of the Minty Gurus have it ''AMD APUs are not supported by the AMDGPU-Pro driver", pointing to a page that only gets you Windows drivers -and what can I choose there:
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This is actually what I used to have AMDGPU-PRO drivers for my Ryzen 5 3400G that runs Windows 10. Oké, it reports as an AMD 15D8:C8 (13349MB) OpenCL: 2.0, but: OpenCL 2.0!

Though the AMD-supplied install script (meant for Ubuntu 20.04) didn't work for Linux Mint 20.1, I was able to install the AMDGPU-PRO drivers through my old friend Synaptic, the GUI package manager. Now waiting for the results of that...

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#5 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:43 pm

What a bummer! Turns out that
  • the Ryzen 5 2400G isn't well supported in the latest Linux distro/kernel versions (Linux Mint 20.1, Ubuntu 20.04.2 both with kernel 5.8),
  • that the Pcie errors (bad TLP, bad DLLP) prevented stable running under Linux,
  • that even Windows 10 wouldn't let me use the AMD drivers without freezing up.
The 2400G in fact worked only if the IGP wasn't used. Not quite what I had in mind.....

So I re-installed the Athlon A12-9800E and had a working system again. Netto gain: a much better cooler (Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 trumps AMD 35Watt tdp stock cooler).

Thinking of buying a MSI B450 Mortar MAX mobo to see if it is just an incompatibility issue. Whoever said this is a cheap hobby?

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#6 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by davidBAM » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:53 pm

Dirk Broer wrote:
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Whoever said this is a cheap hobby?
no-one :P
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#7 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Alez » Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:29 am

@Dirk Broer Got to agree there, no one in their right mind. Only saving grace is it's not the insane cash demands of motorsport, though @davidBAM lecky bill must be close and probably beats my ASICS days when I melted a 25 Amp cable running into the crunching shed. I actually had a girl from the power company phone me asking how big was the house as my bill was so big !! Still surprised I never had the cops round checking I wasn't growing a certain crop which is frowned upon in the UK .....
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#8 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:58 pm

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I actually had a girl from the power company phone me asking how big was the house as my bill was so big !! Still surprised I never had the cops round checking I wasn't growing a certain crop which is frowned upon in the UK .....
Not an unlikely scenario: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/28/bitcoin ... raid-.html
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#9 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by davidBAM » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:01 pm

VietOZ once got raided by the FDA. Came home to armed cops trampling all over his garden

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#10 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by PecosRiverM » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:04 pm

I'm still waiting on that day here..
Part of my weekly email from electric co.:

"Your usage was 216% more than similar homes in your area (3% less than last week). " :o

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#11 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:09 pm

PecosRiverM wrote:
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I'm still waiting on that day here..
Part of my weekly email from electric co.:
"Your usage was 216% more than similar homes in your area (3% less than last week). " :o
Hold my beer! The wife is always complaining that our power use is 400% that of the neighbouring households....
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#12 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by PecosRiverM » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:38 pm

Well that is only running 8 systems and no GPU's for the last week. :lol:

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#13 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:49 pm

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Well that is only running 8 systems and no GPU's for the last week. :lol:
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Eight X86-64 systems, with 3GPUs (rest are APUs/use IGP)
The GPUs: One EVGA GTX 650 (65 Watt tdp), one Gigabyte GTX 1650 (75 Watt tdp), one Sapphire HD 7790 (85 Watt tdp)

Ten ARM systems (nine on Linux (5 Raspberries, 2 Jetson Nano's, an Odroid-XU4 and an Odroid-N2+)) , one on Android (Odroid-N2+)

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#14 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by PecosRiverM » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:17 pm

I should have said we're wasteful here.
Another part of my electric email:

"You used 943.3 kWh this week, which cost $112.81."

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#15 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Alez » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:16 am

Eh, the farm house up the hill from us got raided a couple of years ago. Had been rented out by a ' pillar ' of the community, upstanding citizen, church elder etc etc. Many police vans later, helicopter circling etc .... one Chinese national who didn't speak any English and enough skunk to supply the entire of the north east of Scotland later....
As usual I was abroad and missed all the fun.

For those unfamiliar, in the UK we tie high electricity bills compared to the neighbours with overflights of ' civilian ' looking aircraft equipped with FLIR cameras. Meet those criteria and you get a large police raid. So basically, ensure your loft isn't hot :lol:
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#16 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by SolidAir79 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:35 am

Think I'm going to move my machines from the one room when I get home 🤣
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#17 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:05 am

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Think I'm going to move my machines from the one room when I get home 🤣
I have all my machines in one room -the attic. Bloody hot at the moment, two extra 300mm table fans running constantly.

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#18 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by davidBAM » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:34 am

Have you not got one of these new Dutch A/C units which need no electricity? I can't fathom how they work but they are acoustic and are based on principles of a Sterling engine

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#19 Re: "Drop-in" replacement

Post by Dirk Broer » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:54 am

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Have you not got one of these new Dutch A/C units which need no electricity? I can't fathom how they work but they are acoustic and are based on principles of a Sterling engine
When it sounds too good to be true, it probably is....https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsi ... he-planet/

I operate on temperature: when the attic air is hotter than outside I try to blow the air out, when it gets colder outside (e.g at night) I try to move the cool air in.
I just need to find an affordable fan that can act both ways and fits the window. For the time being I use two 300mm table fans, but I might have found a adjustable 500mm model that fits my needs.

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