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#1 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Alez » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:18 am

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Name Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ?
Status Upcoming
Project Rosetta@Home
Issued by The Scottish Boinc Team
Start time 2017-10-16 01:00 UTC
End time 2017-10-23 01:00 UTC
Late entrants allowed? Yes
Number of teams participating » 8
Number of users participating 0
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#2 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Alez » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:19 am

Challenge called by TSBT so it would be great to have a good showing on it..... You guys know what to do.
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#3 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Bryan » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:44 am

Whoever schedules these 7 day challenges should be keel hauled after being flogged ... just sayin'
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#4 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Dirk Broer » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:08 am

Bryan wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:44 am
Whoever schedules these 7 day challenges should be keel hauled after being flogged ... just sayin'
I don't agree. For projects like PrimeGrid 7 days is sometimes even too short (depending on the application), for RNA I would even suggest 7 months....
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#5 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Alez » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:23 am

Bryan wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:44 am
Whoever schedules these 7 day challenges should be keel hauled after being flogged ... just sayin'
I know, just not long enough :twisted: However you can always bunker for a few days to spin it out even further :dance:

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#6 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Bryan » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:45 pm

Dirk Broer wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:08 am
Bryan wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:44 am
Whoever schedules these 7 day challenges should be keel hauled after being flogged ... just sayin'
I don't agree. For projects like PrimeGrid 7 days is sometimes even too short (depending on the application), for RNA I would even suggest 7 months....
If you run anything except the GPU sieve on a PG "team" challenge you are wasting your time so you don't need 7 days :)

I will come play and probably with a full bunker. I owe Scole big time for helping me help a SUSA member get over the 100M mark on Xansons. Running the next TSBT challenge was the way I bribed him :lol:
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#7 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Alez » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:43 pm

Bryan wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:45 pm
I will come play and probably with a full bunker.
Sweet :dance: Bunker bragging rights up for grabs :shifty:

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#8 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:26 pm

Rosetta appears to be poised to release a new app version called simply "Rosetta" instead of "Rosetta Mini". A few WUs have been released so far but not many. They show up as a new WUProp app also, for me anyway. Hopefully they will release lots more before its bunker time.

EDIT: we are still more than 2 days away from the safe bunker date. Empty those caches and get ready to load a full 7 days after we get within the window.
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#9 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Alez » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:32 am

Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred:
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Acoustic cache should be gone soon....ish.
Of course if the GC hordes crash the party then increase in world top 100 position is best we can hope for, unless a large number of our team turn up for the event.

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#10 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Bryan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:40 am

Alez wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:43 pm
Bryan wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:45 pm
I will come play and probably with a full bunker.
Sweet :dance: Bunker bragging rights up for grabs :shifty:
Not to make excuses but I probably won't have a full bunker. We leave for Texas Saturday morning and will be on the road until the evening of the 10th. That means I probably won't be able to start until we arrive.

Does anyone know if it pays better on Linux or Windows and how big a cache will it give per machine or thread?

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Unread post by Bryan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:51 am

HEADS UP - potential gotcha.

I put 1 instance of BOINC on it tonight to get a feel for Rosetta since I hadn't run it for a long time. No problem getting work however I did notice that it was running 32 bit apps. I looked at the project's application page and it showed both 32 and 64 bit.

I attached another instance of BOINC from the same machine BUT I changed the no_alt_platform in the cc_config file 1st. When it got work the executables were 64 bit. This may make a difference in credits. I had forgotten this project allows you to set the time a WU runs. I won't know the results of the credits of 32 vs 64 bits until tomorrow morning.

One nice thing is for bunkering you can set long WU times and then before the challenge starts you can select much shorter ones.

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Unread post by Bryan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:54 pm

1, I don't really see any difference between Linux and Windows.
2. The 32 bit vs 64 is a non-issue. It turns out that it does give a 64 bit app if you tell it no_alt_platform however according to Task Manager that _64.exe executable runs as a 32 bit. So apparently it is 64 bit in name only.

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Unread post by scole of TSBT » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:31 pm

I compared 32bit win, 64bit win, 32 bit linux and 64bit linux from the same hardware. I did see a slight difference in performance but it wasn't logical. 32bit linux and 64bit win each performed about 7% better than 32bit win and 64bit linux. I don't consider that conclusive. It doesn't make sense. If the sample was much bigger I figure it would all be similar.

I do have an app_info.xml for windows to crunch just the new ver 4 app but there's little work and rigs would sit empty if used right now.
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#14 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Dirk Broer » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:06 pm

scole of TSBT wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:31 pm
I compared 32bit win, 64bit win, 32 bit linux and 64bit linux from the same hardware. I did see a slight difference in performance but it wasn't logical. 32bit linux and 64bit win each performed about 7% better than 32bit win and 64bit linux. I don't consider that conclusive. It doesn't make sense. If the sample was much bigger I figure it would all be similar.
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#15 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Megacruncher » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:50 am

The only winner will be TSBT. :-) Already our RAC on Rosetta has tripled. And by tomorrow night I reckon we will be up to 99th place.
This is mainly down to scole who modestly hides his PCs on the Rosetta website but who must have several hundred cores at his command: Yesterday, according to Boincstats, I churned out 28K with about 60 cores on the project but scole managed an awesome 149K. :notworthy:
Hopefully the 16 core Threadripper which I have just ordered from Scan will arrive in time to allow me to join the serious ass-kicking!
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#16 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by scole of TSBT » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:36 am

TSBT has a bunch of Rosetta crunchers who have helped keep it in the top 100. Over the past month all these folks have contributed and deserve credit...
Mark Henderson
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danny
Geofrancis
Anita Squires
Andrew
Kostoglotov
Philippe
McSpuddles
Martin Green
KaizenMike
Sirius
Dodi Lamb
Giles
atfogarasi
Radio
Damsons1
tcatcarson
rjhowardmiller
Grum
MarkRBright
Alez
Shazzadouglas
Graham Hamilton

I hope they all continue and focus on Rosetta for the challenge. :-)

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Unread post by Bryan » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:16 am

Plllttt 149k, just think what he would have done if he had been serious about it :shock:

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#18 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Megacruncher » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:41 am

scole of TSBT wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:36 am
TSBT has a bunch of Rosetta crunchers who have helped keep it in the top 100. Over the past month all these folks have contributed and deserve credit...
Mark Henderson
Megacruncher TSBT
danny
Geofrancis
Anita Squires
Andrew
Kostoglotov
Philippe
McSpuddles
Martin Green
KaizenMike
Sirius
Dodi Lamb
Giles
atfogarasi
Radio
Damsons1
tcatcarson
rjhowardmiller
Grum
MarkRBright
Alez
Shazzadouglas
Graham Hamilton

I hope they all continue and focus on Rosetta for the challenge. :-)
Indeed, we've all done our bit. The list contains the names of many a loyal longterm TSBT cruncher who rarely if ever post in these boards but who are true Boincers using their spare cycles rather than crunching on specially bought hardware like some of us. We thank, salute & celebrate them all. :occasion7:
But that's no reason to ignore the achievements of someone with way too much kit who generated 190K of credit yesterday for a CPU only project! :clap: :notworthy:
Well done sir!
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Unread post by Bryan » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:25 am

GC hasn't signed up and I hope it stays that way! They have a guy who does 800k/day ... can you say data center? With their 3M/day if they sign up everyone else will be competing for 2nd place. I can live with that if we have to.

Scole just uses his "spare" cycles for crunching. Since the computers he uses don't do anything else then ALL of his cycles are spare :lol:

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#20 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Unread post by Cruncher Pete » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:43 am

Bryan wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:25 am


Scole just uses his "spare" cycles for crunching. Since the computers he uses don't do anything else then ALL of his cycles are spare :lol:
My philosophy is similar. The only reason I am running 13 Computers is because I am told everyday that they are single women looking for me in my area. It is nice to be wanted and I like to read that 13 times. Of course I get to choose which new car to pick up as I win one everyday, all I have to do is just answer a short questionnaire. :text-lol:
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