16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:17 pm

I suppose the one good thing about the poor credit is that everyone is in the same boat. We've built a big buffer in both the competition and the top 100 standings.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:34 pm

87th at the last count. Which in itself (and further gains are certain) means that once the comp is done Rosetta will be safe for many many months, even if we just leave it to the long-tern project stalwarts.
We shouldn't count our chickens but at present the comp is looking like a one horse race.
As regards the credits, they look all-right to Rip Van Winkle here. The 1950X had managed to get 22.7 KCr from 351 2hr WU before I started bunkering (64.6/WU). The 1061 bunkered 2hr WUs on the same machine delivered 67.5 KCr which is 63.6/WU not a significant drop.
Anyway it's going to be WCG for me after we're done here so I'll enjoy the relative bounty of Rosetta while I can.

Post by **Bryan** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:16 pm

The credits are what the credits are but the bunker was a major disappointment. In 48 hours prior to the start I did over 1M using 75% of my threads. In the 6 1/2 days I bunkered at 100% I only did 1.7M. I really hate it when Alez is right

Oh well, we will definitely move up in the standings and as you say it will last a long time!

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:33 pm

Bryan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:16 pm I really hate it when Alez is right

Bwahahahahahahaaa

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:21 am

Stats seem all screwed up on Bam at the moment for us on Rosetta but at least the main position is correct. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are in 87th place.

Well done all.

We hold the top 5 positions, although that will change as tguskill of TSC! Russia is cracking in the credit and will catch both Mega and myself and probabily Pete to.
7 of us in the top 100 so far.

Rosetta@Home

Rosetta@Home position

Position	Team	Points
83	France	52,977,001
84	Portugal@Home	52,384,389
85	Romania@StiintaAzi.ro	51,150,647
86	Catalunya	51,012,822
87	The Scottish Boinc Team	50,496,147
88	BOINC@MIXI	50,178,704

Post by **Bryan** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:11 pm

86th

85th coming up

Post by **Bryan** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:07 pm

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:18 pm

Bryan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:07 pm 85th

Great effort guys. Bam still has us at 87th, looks like it only updates once per day from rosetta.
Might be another place or two in this yet.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:50 am

81st by the end of the challenge I reckon!

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:50 am

Rosetta@Home

Rosetta@Home position

Position	Team	Points
81	RENCI	53,919,201
82	Orb-3	53,709,738
83	France	53,018,777
84	Portugal@Home	52,439,799
85	The Scottish Boinc Team	51,270,374
86	Romania@StiintaAzi.roI	51,154,620

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:50 am 81st by the end of the challenge I reckon!

3 more million in the next 5 days, there's the challenge guys as TSC! Russia, by all their best efforts, are not going to catch us.

tguskill will catch me and probabily Pete to take 3rd, but we have this in the bag.That's me maxed out short of resurrecting old core duo systems, think I might have to look into this whole threadripper milarkay or pay through the nose for next gen xeons.

Post by **Bryan** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:41 pm

CREDIT ISSUE SOLVED - MAYBE

I think I've solved the really low credit problem

As much as I hate to say it again, Alez was correct:

Rosetta grants credit based on the average claimed credit per decoy from all jobs submitted to date. So if you're the first to report, then you might get granted too much credit, but it will quickly get diluted by the reasonable credit claims from ever other machine that submitted results before yours did. Credit is low, seti low.

But to return the world to proper balance I'll add that that was a half assed answer

At least not the whole story!

It has been bugging me why I had 48 hours of much better credits before I started my bunker (1M in 48 hours using 75% of my threads). This morning I started new instances and put my resource share at 0 and the run time at 1 hour WU. Yeah baby, my credits for 1 hour WU ranged from 25/hr to 150/hr. I have been running a steady 10-11k/hour since we did our bunker dumps. For the past 3 hours I'm at 17k/hour and that may get better.

The solution is to kill your big honking cache and pull work in very small amounts -or- as needed. I think what happens is the project issues new types of WU and as Alez said it doesn't know anything about them. So if you latch onto the new types of WU they will pay really good credits until the project comes up with a good average. In the meantime you get paid well. If you have a big cache then by the time you get around to crunching them the project has actually figured out what they are worth.

I'm experimenting with the run time - 1 hr vs 2. Before I started my bunker I was running 2 hour WU with zero resource share.

NOTE: since these are new instances it is possible that credit screw is involved also but it appears to be based on WU type and not across all WUs.

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:15 pm

Short answer:
Set your network cache low, like .01 days work and/or resource share to 0 (as long as you aren't running any other project at the same time) and set the WU run times to 1 or 2 hours?

Post by **Bryan** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:43 pm

Yes sir ... I stil don't have a feel for which is better 1 or 2 hours. But either run a VERY small cache or no cache. I've set mine to zero resource share.

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:02 pm

Who was the meathead that suggested it was better to run longer WUs?

Post by **Bryan** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:25 pm

scole of TSBT wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:02 pm Who was the meathead that suggested it was better to run longer WUs?

I'm not sure Steve

But anyone who schedules a 7 day challenge with an 8 day bunker is definitely into loooonnnnggg so we should blame it on that person. Alez comes to mind

Are you seeing an improvement also? Like Alez pointed out it is a crapshoot ... if you get a bunch of the new ones you get high credits. If not there is nothing lost.

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:57 pm

Hard to tell but it's certainly not worse.

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:03 am

I'm not feeling the love here. Seems my name is poping up a lot .... I'm running 2 hr units and have done so since the bunker drop on the basis that I will get 1 decoy quickly and then move on. Going to set a no cache regime for the last of the comp.
Further more, don't blame me because you all didn't listen to me

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:26 am

At least I'm feeling the love from my pup

If we crack on at this credit level we may even hit 80th place by the end.

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:06 am

Alez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:03 amI'm not feeling the love here. Seems my name is poping up a lot ....

fugetaboutit. We went to a lot of trouble to get you recognized as team founder by BoincStats just so you could issue this challenge. We're not not going to kick you off the team now.

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:55 am

Alez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:03 am
Further more, don't blame me because you all didn't listen to me

Believe it or not, I'm pretty sure that I've been told that before

Looking at the stats it appears we were dead even with TSC! today so I think they will have their hands full trying to catch us. I love it when a plan comes together.

I think Alez was dead on saying that it is a just luck of the draw. My credits have slowed down. Looking at the machines I'm not getting as many of the high paying type WU right now.

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:17 am

Alez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:26 am At least I'm feeling the love from my pup

If we crack on at this credit level we may even hit 80th place by the end.

We love you too Alez, that's why we pick on you

It would be nice if the credits would take off but I'm getting less and less optimistic. Earlier today it looked really great but now it is about down where I started. I'm just not getting enough of the high paying WU now ... DANG!!!

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:06 pm

84th - 83rd coming up

It has been paying very well over the past few hours

Look at the graph of team credits ... there is a major change in the slope! We're pulling away from TSC! now.

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:37 pm

Half way through the competition.
Current standings

Bowmore 1st
scole of TSBT 2nd
McShane of TSBT 3rd
Alez 5th
Megacruncher TSBT 6th
Andrew 62nd
Lee Carver 86th
Mark Henderson 162
Radio 192
Sirius 199
danny 215
Geofrancis 261
Kostoglotov 366
Damsons1 410
KaizenMike 512
McSpuddles 570
Dodi Lamb 572
Giles 592
atfogarasi 716
Martin Green 796
Anita Squires 819

Great work everyone.

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:09 pm

The 1 hr WUs are paying well.

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:16 pm

scole of TSBT wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:09 pm The 1 hr WUs are paying well.

That's what I've been running. The 2 hour pay more but NOT double.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 pm

83rd now!
There is clearly no chance of TSC! Russia catching us & whilst Gridcoin could join the fray at any time, more than hallway thru, they've probably already left it too late.

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:55 pm

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 pm 83rd now!
There is clearly no chance of TSC! Russia catching us & whilst Gridcoin could join the fray at any time, more than hallway thru, they've probably already left it too late.

Think last time I looked GC were putting in 3.5 million per day .....

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:38 pm

@Pete I wouldn't bunker anything Pete. Open them up with zero resource share and run 1 hr WU. Have NO cache at all. There are new types of WU coming out fairly often and they pay very very well until the project figures out what they are actually worth. After enough have been turned in the project drops the credits on them.

Post by **Bryan** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:52 pm

McShane of AP wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:51 pm
Your advise is my command Sir.

Go forth and kick butt Pete

The Ruskie has just finished his daily bunker dump and he didn't hurt you at all!

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:27 am

You spooked him, tguskill has bolted

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:05 am

scole of TSBT wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:27 am You spooked him, tguskill has bolted

Excellent ... rolls up sleeves

Post by **Megacruncher** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:08 am

Alez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:55 pm
Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 pm 83rd now!
There is clearly no chance of TSC! Russia catching us & whilst Gridcoin could join the fray at any time, more than hallway thru, they've probably already left it too late.
Think last time I looked GC were putting in 3.5 million per day .....

Which might put them with a chance if they join in right now. If on the other hand they delay another few hours then we can start celebrating.

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:16 am

Rosetta@Home

TSBT now up to 83 on Rosetta@Home

Rosetta@Home position

Position	Team	Points
80	LinusTechTips_Team	55,432,781
81	RENCI	53,926,029
82	Orb-3	53,759,273
83	The Scottish Boinc Team	53,251,246
84	France	53,093,763

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:19 am

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:08 am
Alez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:55 pm
Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 pm 83rd now!
There is clearly no chance of TSC! Russia catching us & whilst Gridcoin could join the fray at any time, more than hallway thru, they've probably already left it too late.
Think last time I looked GC were putting in 3.5 million per day .....
Which might put them with a chance if they join in right now. If on the other hand they delay another few hours then we can start celebrating.

2.9 million today. They will have to jump within the next 24 hours or we are doing the happy dance

Post by **Bryan** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:05 am

Alez wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:19 am

2.9 million today. They will have to jump within the next 24 hours or we are doing the happy dance

We can start dancing at anytime! They only out pulled us by 1.7M today and we have a 6.9M lead

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:08 am

Bryan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:05 am
Alez wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:19 am

2.9 million today. They will have to jump within the next 24 hours or we are doing the happy dance
We can start dancing at anytime! They only out pulled us by 1.7M today and we have a 6.9M lead

HAPPY FEET p14

Post by **Megacruncher** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:24 am

Still no sign of Gridcoin so I reckon we've got it in the bag!

Also we are now 81st !
The teams are getting a bit spread out now but we will probably manage to bag 80th & possibly even 79th!

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:34 am

Rosetta@Home

As Mega said, TSBT now up to 81st on Rosetta@Home

Rosetta@Home position

Position	Team	Points
78	University of Wisconsin - Madison	57,691,306
79	PC Perspective Killer Frogs	57,537,983
80	LinusTechTips_Team	55,543,164
81	The Scottish Boinc Team	54,504,188
82	RENCI	53,929,437

This competition will keep this project safe for quite a while. Great job all and lets keep pushing to the end.

Post by **scole of TSBT** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:00 am

Badges! I want badges!

Post by **Bryan** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:47 am

scole of TSBT wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:00 am Badges! I want badges!

I'll 2nd that

Post by **Bryan** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:15 am

HERE is a cool graph. Do you think tguskill is feeling a little pressured?

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:33 am

Bryan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:15 am HERE is a cool graph. Do you think tguskill is feeling a little pressured?

You could add Lee and Andrews progress to that

here

Post by **Bryan** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:02 am

Alez wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:33 am

You could add Lee and Andrews progress to that

here

No, you want to show their graph THIS way

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:17 am

Bryan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:02 am
Alez wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:33 am

You could add Lee and Andrews progress to that

here
No, you want to show their graph THIS way

Seems that they are on the up and .... well up

That's team work for ya

Post by **Bryan** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:51 pm

80th - nice job everyone!

There is a chance of making it to 78th but we will need a good tail wind.

Post by **Megacruncher** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:33 am

Bryan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:51 pm 80th - nice job everyone!

There is a chance of making it to 78th but we will need a good tail wind.

It looks as if 78th is pretty much a certainty - which is remarkable.
Overall victory is 99.9% certain.
Also we look set to bag at least the top five individual places or possibly, teamwork. luck & good judgement allowing, the top seven places.

Post by **Bryan** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:53 am

Megacruncher wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:33 am good judgement allowing, the top seven places.

Now that's really pushing ... that would require some adult leadership and I don't where we'll find any of that

Alez · Post by **Alez** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:13 am

Bryan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:53 am
Megacruncher wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:33 am good judgement allowing, the top seven places.
Now that's really pushing ... that would require some adult leadership and I don't where we'll find any of that

I'm not going to rise to that bait .... OK I am ,

naughty step for you ........

Rosetta@Home

TSBT now up to 80th on Rosetta@Home

Rosetta@Home position

Position	Team	Points
77	Prohardver!	59,416,654
78	University of Wisconsin - Madison	57,702,025
79	PC Perspective Killer Frogs	57,544,746
80	The Scottish Boinc Team	56,425,055
81	LinusTechTips_Team	55,646,607

Post by **Bryan** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:11 am

Alez wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:13 am

I'm not going to rise to that bait .... OK I am , naughty step for you ........

Post by **Bryan** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:44 pm

78th

I think we are done ... wow to move up 18 places from where we started is FANTASTIC!

Well done everyone!