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#61 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Bryan wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:48 amWell I'm mister smarty pants ... I took higher level math in college so I was able to figure out how many I needed at 2 WU/thread/day :lol:
I did maths at university and the best I can do is drop the units then suck it and see.... what does that say about Boinc credit ?
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#62 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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10 hours until the kick off. Looks like we are just shy of taking 96th before the start. I expect that after the bunker drops we should hit low 90's. Here's hoping. Going to be very intresting to see how much we have all generated.
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#63 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Even with "Seti" level credits I think we will be in the 80s. Scole has a full bunker!

I should say that I'm going to be very very disappointed if we don't get to that level after we drop. But you can never count on BOINC credits giving you what you rightfully deserve :lol: We are special you know!

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#64 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Current state of play after last update, prior to kick off.
5 hours until the [mention]scole of TSBT[/mention] carpet bomb run commences.

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88 NDTC Rosetta49,588,779
89 Team-SciFi48,649,805
90 California State Universities (CSU)48,539,167
91 www.Au-Ja.de48,108,291
92 IBM 47,771,887
93 Israel47,274,770
94 The Final Front Ear47,148,547
95 BOINC@Finland 46,971,804
96 Picard 46,587,070
97 The Scottish Boinc Team 46,530,255
98 ALS-tutkimuksen tuki ry 45,483,181
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#65 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Alez wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:37 pm Current state of play after last update, prior to kick off.
5 hours until the @scole of TSBT carpet bomb run commences.

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PositionTeamPoints
88 NDTC Rosetta49,588,779
89 Team-SciFi48,649,805
90 California State Universities (CSU)48,539,167
91 www.Au-Ja.de48,108,291
92 IBM 47,771,887
93 Israel47,274,770
94 The Final Front Ear47,148,547
95 BOINC@Finland 46,971,804
96 Picard 46,587,070
97 The Scottish Boinc Team 46,530,255
98 ALS-tutkimuksen tuki ry 45,483,181
Sheesh, who decided on a 2am kickoff? :roll:

Nice table again but it's now out of date!
As of now:
TSBT have 46,623,940
Picard have 46,600,423
For those without the benefit of a maths degree, our number is bigger than theirs which means that we have moved up to 96th! :dance:
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#66 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Megacruncher wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:37 pm
For those without the benefit of a maths degree, our number is bigger than theirs which means that we have moved up to 96th! :dance:
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#67 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Megacruncher wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:37 pm
Sheesh, who decided on a 2am kickoff? :roll:

Nice table again but it's now out of date!
As of now:
TSBT have 46,623,940
Picard have 46,600,423
For those without the benefit of a maths degree, our number is bigger than theirs which means that we have moved up to 96th! :dance:
Jeez, everyones a critic :lol: Sadly I don't have a maths degree, only an engineering one, so fully qualified to hit things with a selection of hammers :twisted:
I would bother my arse to update the table but I suspect it's going to change radically in about 90 mins :D
Still, very happy my prediction of 96th before kickoff is valid. :dance:
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#68 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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McShane of AP wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:13 am
Alez wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:35 am
Megacruncher wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:37 pm
Sheesh, who decided on a 2am kickoff? :roll:

Au contrare, it is an excellent start time. It will only be 11AM here. :lol:
At least someone appreciates my sleeping for 4 to 5 hours at the most 8-)
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#69 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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I do believe we are off and running. Bombs away gentlemen.
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#70 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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It's going to take quite a while to upload!

We ought to get a picture, the top 5 users are TSBT!!
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#71 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Bryan wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:43 am It's going to take quite a while to upload!
painfully slow
Bryan wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:43 am We ought to get a picture, the top 5 users are TSBT!!
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#72 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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And we have an enormous lead over everybody else: 1.3 Million vs 21K !
Very encouraging start but it'll be a while before a reliable picture emerges.
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#73 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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From what I've seen so far it appears that Alez was correct ... Seti like credits. CRAP!
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#74 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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2 Million on last update. That should put us up to at least 89th now. :clap:
Suberb effort by everyone involved.
My credits so far for a 6 day bunker are ...poor....what I actually think is not fit for a family friendly forum. :text-imsorry:
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#75 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Bryan wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:20 am From what I've seen so far it appears that Alez was correct ... Seti like credits. CRAP!
Indeed, I did warn you, but makes our massive move up the world rankings in just over 1 week all the more to celebrate. :clap: A great team effort.
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#76 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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#77 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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To date our best ever position was 92 at 2011-03-20. We've smashed that.
2.7 million v's 100k after 2 hours. Next update should put us at 88th at least.
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#78 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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I'm done - all in. We are in 88th but that will improve when Scole gets around to dumping the rest of his bunker :whistle:
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I'm all in too. Took nearly 3 hours to dump all the units. I had hoped for a bit more credit for that effort.
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That's all I have. Based on daily output before the challenge I thought it would be more. :(
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#81 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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I suppose the one good thing about the poor credit is that everyone is in the same boat. We've built a big buffer in both the competition and the top 100 standings.
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#82 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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87th at the last count. Which in itself (and further gains are certain) means that once the comp is done Rosetta will be safe for many many months, even if we just leave it to the long-tern project stalwarts.
We shouldn't count our chickens but at present the comp is looking like a one horse race.
As regards the credits, they look all-right to Rip Van Winkle here. The 1950X had managed to get 22.7 KCr from 351 2hr WU before I started bunkering (64.6/WU). The 1061 bunkered 2hr WUs on the same machine delivered 67.5 KCr which is 63.6/WU not a significant drop.
Anyway it's going to be WCG for me after we're done here so I'll enjoy the relative bounty of Rosetta while I can.
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#83 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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The credits are what the credits are but the bunker was a major disappointment. In 48 hours prior to the start I did over 1M using 75% of my threads. In the 6 1/2 days I bunkered at 100% I only did 1.7M. I really hate it when Alez is right :lol:

Oh well, we will definitely move up in the standings and as you say it will last a long time!
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#84 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Bryan wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:16 pm I really hate it when Alez is right :lol:
:pottytrain2: Bwahahahahahahaaa :banana-dreads:
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#85 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Stats seem all screwed up on Bam at the moment for us on Rosetta but at least the main position is correct. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are in 87th place. :clap:

Well done all.

We hold the top 5 positions, although that will change as tguskill of TSC! Russia is cracking in the credit and will catch both Mega and myself and probabily Pete to.
7 of us in the top 100 so far.

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83 France52,977,001
84 Portugal@Home52,384,389
85 Romania@StiintaAzi.ro 51,150,647
86 Catalunya 51,012,822
87 The Scottish Boinc Team 50,496,147
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86th :dance:

85th coming up
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Bryan wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:07 pm 85th
Great effort guys. Bam still has us at 87th, looks like it only updates once per day from rosetta.
Might be another place or two in this yet.
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81st by the end of the challenge I reckon! :-)
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#90 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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81 RENCI53,919,201
82 Orb-3 53,709,738
83 France53,018,777
84Portugal@Home52,439,799
85 The Scottish Boinc Team 51,270,374
86 Romania@StiintaAzi.roI51,154,620
Megacruncher wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:50 am 81st by the end of the challenge I reckon! :-)
3 more million in the next 5 days, there's the challenge guys as TSC! Russia, by all their best efforts, are not going to catch us. :naughty:
tguskill will catch me and probabily Pete to take 3rd, but we have this in the bag.That's me maxed out short of resurrecting old core duo systems, think I might have to look into this whole threadripper milarkay or pay through the nose for next gen xeons.
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#91 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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CREDIT ISSUE SOLVED - MAYBE

I think I've solved the really low credit problem :o

As much as I hate to say it again, Alez was correct:
Rosetta grants credit based on the average claimed credit per decoy from all jobs submitted to date. So if you're the first to report, then you might get granted too much credit, but it will quickly get diluted by the reasonable credit claims from ever other machine that submitted results before yours did. Credit is low, seti low.
But to return the world to proper balance I'll add that that was a half assed answer :lol: At least not the whole story!

It has been bugging me why I had 48 hours of much better credits before I started my bunker (1M in 48 hours using 75% of my threads). This morning I started new instances and put my resource share at 0 and the run time at 1 hour WU. Yeah baby, my credits for 1 hour WU ranged from 25/hr to 150/hr. I have been running a steady 10-11k/hour since we did our bunker dumps. For the past 3 hours I'm at 17k/hour and that may get better.

The solution is to kill your big honking cache and pull work in very small amounts -or- as needed. I think what happens is the project issues new types of WU and as Alez said it doesn't know anything about them. So if you latch onto the new types of WU they will pay really good credits until the project comes up with a good average. In the meantime you get paid well. If you have a big cache then by the time you get around to crunching them the project has actually figured out what they are worth.

I'm experimenting with the run time - 1 hr vs 2. Before I started my bunker I was running 2 hour WU with zero resource share.

NOTE: since these are new instances it is possible that credit screw is involved also but it appears to be based on WU type and not across all WUs.
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#92 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Short answer:
Set your network cache low, like .01 days work and/or resource share to 0 (as long as you aren't running any other project at the same time) and set the WU run times to 1 or 2 hours?
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Yes sir ... I stil don't have a feel for which is better 1 or 2 hours. But either run a VERY small cache or no cache. I've set mine to zero resource share.
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Who was the meathead that suggested it was better to run longer WUs? :icon-lol:
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#95 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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scole of TSBT wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:02 pm Who was the meathead that suggested it was better to run longer WUs? :icon-lol:
I'm not sure Steve :lol: But anyone who schedules a 7 day challenge with an 8 day bunker is definitely into loooonnnnggg so we should blame it on that person. Alez comes to mind :roll:

Are you seeing an improvement also? Like Alez pointed out it is a crapshoot ... if you get a bunch of the new ones you get high credits. If not there is nothing lost.
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Hard to tell but it's certainly not worse.
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#97 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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I'm not feeling the love here. Seems my name is poping up a lot .... I'm running 2 hr units and have done so since the bunker drop on the basis that I will get 1 decoy quickly and then move on. Going to set a no cache regime for the last of the comp.
Further more, don't blame me because you all didn't listen to me :naughty:
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If we crack on at this credit level we may even hit 80th place by the end.
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Alez wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:03 amI'm not feeling the love here. Seems my name is poping up a lot ....
fugetaboutit. We went to a lot of trouble to get you recognized as team founder by BoincStats just so you could issue this challenge. We're not not going to kick you off the team now. :lol:
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Alez wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:03 am
Further more, don't blame me because you all didn't listen to me :naughty:
Believe it or not, I'm pretty sure that I've been told that before :lol:

Looking at the stats it appears we were dead even with TSC! today so I think they will have their hands full trying to catch us. I love it when a plan comes together.

I think Alez was dead on saying that it is a just luck of the draw. My credits have slowed down. Looking at the machines I'm not getting as many of the high paying type WU right now.
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Alez wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:26 am At least I'm feeling the love from my pup
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If we crack on at this credit level we may even hit 80th place by the end.
We love you too Alez, that's why we pick on you :lol:

It would be nice if the credits would take off but I'm getting less and less optimistic. Earlier today it looked really great but now it is about down where I started. I'm just not getting enough of the high paying WU now ... DANG!!!
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84th - 83rd coming up :clap:

It has been paying very well over the past few hours :dance: Look at the graph of team credits ... there is a major change in the slope! We're pulling away from TSC! now.
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#103 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Half way through the competition.
Current standings

Bowmore 1st
scole of TSBT 2nd
McShane of TSBT 3rd
Alez 5th
Megacruncher TSBT 6th
Andrew 62nd
Lee Carver 86th
Mark Henderson 162
Radio 192
Sirius 199
danny 215
Geofrancis 261
Kostoglotov 366
Damsons1 410
KaizenMike 512
McSpuddles 570
Dodi Lamb 572
Giles 592
atfogarasi 716
Martin Green 796
Anita Squires 819

Great work everyone.
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The 1 hr WUs are paying well.
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#105 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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scole of TSBT wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:09 pm The 1 hr WUs are paying well.
That's what I've been running. The 2 hour pay more but NOT double.
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#106 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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83rd now!
There is clearly no chance of TSC! Russia catching us & whilst Gridcoin could join the fray at any time, more than hallway thru, they've probably already left it too late.
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#107 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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Megacruncher wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 pm 83rd now!
There is clearly no chance of TSC! Russia catching us & whilst Gridcoin could join the fray at any time, more than hallway thru, they've probably already left it too late.
Think last time I looked GC were putting in 3.5 million per day .....
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#108 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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@Pete I wouldn't bunker anything Pete. Open them up with zero resource share and run 1 hr WU. Have NO cache at all. There are new types of WU coming out fairly often and they pay very very well until the project figures out what they are actually worth. After enough have been turned in the project drops the credits on them.
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#109 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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McShane of AP wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:51 pm
Your advise is my command Sir. :-)
Go forth and kick butt Pete :lol: The Ruskie has just finished his daily bunker dump and he didn't hurt you at all!
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#110 Re: 16/10-23/10 Who Will Win The Rosetta Rosette ? Rosetta@home

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You spooked him, tguskill has bolted
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