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#101 Re: WCG team position
I'll get back on WCG before long. Close to a 50 year badge.
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#102 Re: WCG team position
Hell, No!
Not now, not ever!
But now that they are reporting their stats properly again and we remain outwith the top 100 then it's Game On again.
Full steam ahead, give or take the odd FB sprint.
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#103 Re: WCG team position
I got my 50mil and 50k hours on Distributed Hardware Evolution Project so I'm back on WCG between FB sprints.
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#105 Re: WCG team position
Shame. Still it's the thought that counts and obviously we appreciate any assistance, great or small.
Hope you get to the root of your power problems soon. It might be an overload, if there are a lot of them on the one circuit.
Hope you get to the root of your power problems soon. It might be an overload, if there are a lot of them on the one circuit.
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#106 Re: WCG team position
As reported we are up to 121st now.
WCG position
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Position | Team | Points |
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118 | Vulture Central III | 192,191,041 |
119 | Mormon Community Grid | 189,696,764 |
120 | TEAM SHACHI-HOKO JAPAN | 187,895,011 |
121 | The Scottish Boinc Team | 184,438,048 |
122 | Electronic Sports League (ESL) | 182,998,738 |
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#107 Re: WCG team position
Well Biblepay us about to pass us to take 121st
On the bright side, just 10 more years to go on Zika for my 2nd 50 year badge!
On the bright side, just 10 more years to go on Zika for my 2nd 50 year badge!
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#108 Re: WCG team position
Biblepay have moved past & beyond. We need worry about them no more - presumably a case of Gridcoin bothers God?
Whatever we are now 122nd!
we shall have 121st back by the end of the month. At this rate 100th should be ours by spring 2019!
Whatever we are now 122nd!
we shall have 121st back by the end of the month. At this rate 100th should be ours by spring 2019!
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#109 Re: WCG team position
Will help as much as I can
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#111 Re: WCG team position
121st! Again
No imminent threats in sight so let's get moving on up!
105th by Xmas?
No imminent threats in sight so let's get moving on up!
105th by Xmas?
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#112 Re: WCG team position
Where do I see that ranking please? I am only seeing "Points Generated (Rank) 1,321,736,423 (#123)" on my https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/v ... berPage.do page (#127 on runtime, #103 on results returned)
I'm averaging about 125K points per day at the moment with my available hardware but have self-justified purchase of a 22-core Xeon to build a new system so that should help a bit.
Does WCG have work for GPUs as well? I am uncertain whether mine are being used
I'm averaging about 125K points per day at the moment with my available hardware but have self-justified purchase of a 22-core Xeon to build a new system so that should help a bit.
Does WCG have work for GPUs as well? I am uncertain whether mine are being used
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#113 Re: WCG team position
You look at the BoincStats team rankings for WCG here...https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0
Or Free-DC WCG team stats here (you will need to go to the next 100 teams)...https://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?pag ... &proj=bwcg
WCG does not currently have any GPU projects.
What is your WCG username? I don't see any new TSBT members on WCG.
BTW, WCG points and Boinc points used for the BoincStats team ranks are not equal. Boinc points are roughly 1/7 of the points the WCG project awards users. So your 125k WCG points per day will show as around 17.8k Boinc points per day on BoincStats and Free-DC stats
Or Free-DC WCG team stats here (you will need to go to the next 100 teams)...https://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?pag ... &proj=bwcg
WCG does not currently have any GPU projects.
What is your WCG username? I don't see any new TSBT members on WCG.
BTW, WCG points and Boinc points used for the BoincStats team ranks are not equal. Boinc points are roughly 1/7 of the points the WCG project awards users. So your 125k WCG points per day will show as around 17.8k Boinc points per day on BoincStats and Free-DC stats
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#114 Re: WCG team position
Ah thanks - I gave up on BoincStats TBH
davidBAM - joined just over a week agoscole of TSBT wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:05 pm What is your WCG username? I don't see any new TSBT members on WCG.
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#115 Re: WCG team position
On your WCG account page, when you click the My Team button what is the BOINC Team Id?
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10148 - screen grabs attached
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#117 Re: WCG team position
For some reason it's not exporting your stats as a member of TSBT. Neither BoincStats nor Free-DC stats have you listed.
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I was told that BoincStats doesn't work well with WCG
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#119 Re: WCG team position
Go to your WCG account page,
click the settings link on the top-right,
click the My Profile button on the left,
Scroll down to the Choose to display or hide your data section.
Is the Display my data option selected or the Hide my data option?
If it's not Display my data, select that option and click the Save button at the bottom-right
click the settings link on the top-right,
click the My Profile button on the left,
Scroll down to the Choose to display or hide your data section.
Is the Display my data option selected or the Hide my data option?
If it's not Display my data, select that option and click the Save button at the bottom-right
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#120 Re: WCG team position
Yippee - it was set to Hide My Data so I have changed that and saved it.
Many thanks for all your help
Many thanks for all your help
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#121 Re: WCG team position
I'd appreciate confirmation that my tallies are now being included in TSBT totals. Thanks
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#122 Re: WCG team position
I think the change was made too late to be included in today's stats update. We can look tomorrow. Use this link and it will list all the TSBT members on WCG...
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/user/list/12/0/10148
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/user/list/12/0/10148
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#123 Re: WCG team position
The problem isn't with BOINCStats - it's WCG. Their response to GDPR has been really paranoid. As well as excluding themselves from all the stats sites for a few months it looks as if they have decreed that all new members are going to want to stay anonymous. Which they will unless they try as hard as you to find out how to opt in to being a visible member of the community.
As scole says you should be in the stats tomorrow.
Other projects are easier to work with. And you'll need one if you want to use your GPU(s). Can I suggest http://www.gpugrid.net/ as a good start. Their site is really helpful in telling you how to get the necessary drivers etc.
As scole says you should be in the stats tomorrow.
Other projects are easier to work with. And you'll need one if you want to use your GPU(s). Can I suggest http://www.gpugrid.net/ as a good start. Their site is really helpful in telling you how to get the necessary drivers etc.
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#124 Re: WCG team position
Yup, davidBAM, you are in the stats big-time. Our biggest contributor yesterday & 60th over time. Not too shabby for a Newbie!
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#125 Re: WCG team position
And we'll be back to help on WCG in a of couple days. Some of us are crunching Yoyo for the current Formula Boinc Sprint Challenge.
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#126 Re: WCG team position
That's all good thanks - I'll bask in my 24 hours of fame
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#127 Re: WCG team position
Up to #122 on https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/v ... berPage.do (but I realise you go by the boincstats site)
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#128 Re: WCG team position
#120… we've overtaken the Tabernacle choir https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0
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#129 Re: WCG team position
As reported we are up to 120th now.
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Position | Team | Points |
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117 | Croatia | 197,198,067 |
118 | SETIKAH@KOREA | 195,598,364 |
119 | Vulture Central III | 194,180,806 |
120 | The Scottish Boinc Team | 193,321,400 |
121 | Mormon Community Grid | 193,292,221 |
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#130 Re: WCG team position
Woo hoo!
Way to go, guys!
And we should be past the Vulture dudes within a couple of months.
Way to go, guys!
And we should be past the Vulture dudes within a couple of months.
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#131 Re: WCG team position
I have a Linux / nVidia combination available on a Dell m5520 laptop.Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:09 am Other projects are easier to work with. And you'll need one if you want to use your GPU(s). Can I suggest http://www.gpugrid.net/ as a good start. Their site is really helpful in telling you how to get the necessary drivers etc.
What I'd like to do is to give WCG 100% of the available CPU, and GPUGRID 100% of the GPU. I think this involves using 'web preferences' but am buggered if I can see where to setup web preferences on WCG. Help please?
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#132 Re: WCG team position
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The ' web preferences' are available in WCG under your account - My Projects. Here you can select which projects to run.
For Prime Grid they are under your account - Your Account - Preferences for this project PrimeGrid preferences - Go to bottom of page and select Edit preferences. There tick the projects you want to run on Prime Grid ( ie select a GPU project or two and deselect any CPU projects )
In reality, due to the way the BOINC manager tries to balance out points gained, selecting WCG and Primegrid together will result in WCG running on CPU and Primegrid running on GPU.
Don't run a laptop at 100% cpu and GPU, it will run too hot and also in reality you need some CPU to ' feed' the GPU. At 100% cpu usage, the laptop will be unusable.
To start with I would suggest you run under BOINC - computer preferences in the manager I would set the following preferences.
use at most 50% of the CPUs
use at most 100% of CPU time ( never change this as it doesn't work properly and will simple cause the cpu's to cycle constantly. Always remove a core using the first option to limit how much time and temperatures of any CPU. )
See how that works for the laptop. If all is well you can turn the number of cores up to 75% or what ever you want. Be cautious at first. ( The % of cores is exactly what it states. 50% will use 2 cores of a 4 core CPU. 75% is 3 of 4 etc. What % you set is determined by how many cores you have. ) Always leave a core / thread free to feed a GPU if you run the GPU.
The ' web preferences' are available in WCG under your account - My Projects. Here you can select which projects to run.
For Prime Grid they are under your account - Your Account - Preferences for this project PrimeGrid preferences - Go to bottom of page and select Edit preferences. There tick the projects you want to run on Prime Grid ( ie select a GPU project or two and deselect any CPU projects )
In reality, due to the way the BOINC manager tries to balance out points gained, selecting WCG and Primegrid together will result in WCG running on CPU and Primegrid running on GPU.
Don't run a laptop at 100% cpu and GPU, it will run too hot and also in reality you need some CPU to ' feed' the GPU. At 100% cpu usage, the laptop will be unusable.
To start with I would suggest you run under BOINC - computer preferences in the manager I would set the following preferences.
use at most 50% of the CPUs
use at most 100% of CPU time ( never change this as it doesn't work properly and will simple cause the cpu's to cycle constantly. Always remove a core using the first option to limit how much time and temperatures of any CPU. )
See how that works for the laptop. If all is well you can turn the number of cores up to 75% or what ever you want. Be cautious at first. ( The % of cores is exactly what it states. 50% will use 2 cores of a 4 core CPU. 75% is 3 of 4 etc. What % you set is determined by how many cores you have. ) Always leave a core / thread free to feed a GPU if you run the GPU.
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#133 Re: WCG team position
In my experience you can safely run a laptop at 100% CPU but need to consider carefully whether to use the GPU for boinc at all. Unless you are up for frequent disassembling/defluffing of the laptop and always have spare GPU Coolers at hand, then I'd stick to CPU crunching, on WCG.
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#134 Re: WCG team position
Okay ta, I'll stop using the laptop GPU as the thing was getting rather hot
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#135 Re: WCG team position
Yes, I’ve heard too many tales of major house fires caused by laptops on overnight to be willing to risk mine running 100% GPU plus 100% CPU 24/7. As I see it if it is a gaming laptop capable of cooling everything for short bursts then it should be able to cool all the CPUs indefinitely so long as the GPU is relaxing.
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#136 Re: WCG team position
Stormed past them today https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:29 am And we should be past the Vulture dudes within a couple of months.
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Absolutely! 119th Now!davidBAM wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:13 pmStormed past them today https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0Megacruncher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:29 am And we should be past the Vulture dudes within a couple of months.
And there's more to come! Err..eventually!
October should see us gain a couple more places, and possibly lose one. But that'll be our last loss,amid several gains, before December.
We are holding our own [66th by RAC ], despite the unfortunate retiral of scole. I'm doing my bit, as are 15 other TSBT/WCG stalwarts. But most of the credit for keeping us in top 100 contention must go to davidBAM who most days is our biggest hitter. At this rate you should be top 10 in the team by Xmas!
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Ah ... Maybe not. I haven't seen my electricity bill yetMegacruncher wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:28 pm At this rate you should be top 10 in the team by Xmas!
Ta for noticing though
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#139 Re: WCG team position
You are right to worry about Mr Bill Lecky who has been the downfall of many an enthusiastic newbie, and sometimes a bright star, over the years. Just keep it real, monitored & sustainable & you’ll be fine.
And remember, for 3 seasons at least, if you live in Scotland (probably 4 seasons in Huntly:lol: ) having electrical appliances spewing out heat is a good thing, reducing the need for other sources of heating.
And remember, for 3 seasons at least, if you live in Scotland (probably 4 seasons in Huntly:lol: ) having electrical appliances spewing out heat is a good thing, reducing the need for other sources of heating.
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Aye - using computers as space heaters is a point I make repeatedly myself to anyone who will listen ... hello ... HELLO !!
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#141 Re: WCG team position
Coal fire and stupid amounts of lecky for puters get me through the winter.
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#142 Re: WCG team position
As reported we are up to 119th now.
WCG position
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Position | Team | Points |
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116 | Clemson School of Computing | 202,665,225 |
117 | Croatia | 198,042,388 |
118 | SETIKAH@KOREA | 196,954,074 |
119 | The Scottish Boinc Team | 195,707,666 |
120 | Vulture Central III | 195,256,034 |
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#143 Re: WCG team position
120th now though https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0 Somebody has shot past us but not sure who
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#144 Re: WCG team position
Ahhhgh, it's an attack on our team. I'll get some screenshots to proeve it etc. etc.
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#145 Re: WCG team position
Probably Byteball.org, nearly seven million credits a day!davidBAM wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:29 am 120th now though https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/team/list/0/100/0 Somebody has shot past us but not sure who
#146 Re: WCG team position
Just don't go doing any "blackmailing" Alez!
I'm going to run WCG for a while. I'm now officially a BOINC whore and my pimp is Byteball.
After we finish the Thor challenge which runs from the 22nd to 29th I'll join you guys for a while. I might be able to give you a slight bump Unfortunately, since my user name is linked to Byteball I won't be able to change it. So TSBT's rolls will be contaminated with Bryan @ SUSA
#147 Re: WCG team position
[mention]Bryan[/mention] your always welcome to contaminate the forum, Susa or not
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#148 Re: WCG team position
Anyone can get access to to rebels forum (seti.usa). Just need to confirm when to dump the WCG wus for the Thor challenge. Need a GMT hour.
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You can dump anytime now Carlos. I dropped mine 12 hours ago
A damn shame I couldn't have dropped for TSBT - 10 day bunker worth 5M credits. Oh well, after the 29th I'll give you guys a hand.
BTW, the SUSA boards are down just like Free-DC. BOK is out-of-town but he should be home later today so things should return to normal.
A damn shame I couldn't have dropped for TSBT - 10 day bunker worth 5M credits. Oh well, after the 29th I'll give you guys a hand.
BTW, the SUSA boards are down just like Free-DC. BOK is out-of-town but he should be home later today so things should return to normal.
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